THanks Catspaw I love mudcat so no offense Yes we must help the newcommers Sorry if I some times get a wild hair up my butt. [old army expression] Pick my brains anytime. One of my favorate quotes is "When an old man dies a library is lost" I am playing the 00 all the time now I bought it from a very dearfriend when in college who has now passed away. reminds me of all the good times of years gone by. when I play it. I am a sentimental old fart or is that Seventy Mental?? [Spike Jones song] Allan S.