It breaks my heart to hear people say they were told to just move their lips, beak or what ever and not sing. True, sometimes the choir would sound better but way back when I was in college I had a prof. who taught that anyone can be taught to sing if he/she had the desire. I have always believed that, thus I don't have try-outs for my choirs, never tell any one to not sing and encourage all my little one to listen closely and do their best. I've sent only 2 or 3 on to the intermediate school who couldn't carry a tune. I am so sorry that people had such uncaring teachers in music. It's what's in your heart that counts. bet