Allegence and loyalty are funny things Venus and I can't explain them.

It is quite weird sitting where I am and realising some time ago, there were problems here and also realising that some new music thing was an option.

It is perhaps even wierder that although I became argumentative and bitter, my attempts were to try to help this place and "community members" but at least to get some recognition of problems to enable what I percieved as "forward movement".

Overall, my gut feeling is that the so called "inner clique" will never look at themselves and will only be interested in occupying a form of "centre stage" in a community that they to some degree hijacked - I think the Annexe proved that to some degree...

If there ever is a split, I will be sad but feel that perhaps it was something that needed to happen as (what I think are) maybe your feelings that my ideals over comminity and music could never be achieved are right.

What will sadden me most is that the so called "inner clique" members, the ones who supposedly are interested in community can only look at thier "fun" rather than a more complete picture and other alternatives were never given a chance because of their desire to be "centre of attention", etc.

I hold out for now but maybe, in time, I'd like to join a list if it started or alternatavely, if you wished, you can have my software for free to operate on your terms of memberhip and to tailor as you want (and their are plenty of other good free options).

It would be a sad day for me if it ever happened but as time goes on, I seem to become more and more distant from the community I care about.

Jon