And some of us believe that you will never please everyone, as you've rightly said elsewhere Spaw.

In my mind, you can either have a music forum or a BS forum, but it can't be both because the BSers will always outnumber and outgun the music people, just as we see happening here.

For some people who come here looking for music, they will have one look, and turn around leave, because this place has taken on the look and tone of a 12 year old boy usenet forum, due to the BS. For others with an posting agenda that makes them needy for attention/community, this place is like coming home, I'm sure.

That Mudcat has become the latter, when it was once the former, does make some of us who originally came here to discuss music bitter. If and when I leave the forum, it will be because the filtering system didn't solve the music to BS ratio problems either, and Max decides to let the BSers have their way rather than run them off, or just shuts the place down.

What my hope is, is that the filtering system will work to keep BSers out of the music threads. But short of moderation, I don't believe it is going to work.