Harpgirl ... Thanx for bringing up this thread again. I've been avoiding mudcat lately because of the jerks. I woke up this morning, certain that I knew everything. Now after reading the earlier utopian songs, I realize I've still a lot to learn. And I do now begin to understand the references made to a more 'earthy' version of Big Rock Candy Mountain that surfaced on the thread I started regarding Haywire Mac. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson