FYI, Les, Rugby is really coming on strong here in NA. Just twenty years ago, it was played mostly by universities, with the odd private club. However, with cable and satallite TV broadcasts and the internet garnering interest, rugby is well on it's way to becoming big. The only stumbling block is how to get paid the big advertising bucks. In NA football, there are lots of short advertising spots where one cannot view the field of play, whereas rugby is continuous, save for injury, and the ads must appear alongside play. Same thing with soccer.