Nigel, that's a very snide attack on Harvey.Of course all the things you cite are theft and we all do them. But there is a difference,and you have to judge how bad things are by the consequences they have.If you nick a couple of paperclips you know damn well nobody's going to go without their supper. If you nick from a verypoor musician they may well, and if you personally have an income that enables you to have the things you want you shouldn't steal from people who havent. hence my rule of thumb in an earlier posting, dont steal from people poorer than yourself. Ideally, dont steal from anyone, but we are all human.