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Thread #46065   Message #702572
Posted By: CarolC
02-May-02 - 12:12 AM
Thread Name: BS: Who Are the Terrorists? Part II
Subject: RE: BS: Who Are the Terrorists? Part II
I wasn't accusing ANYONE of Anti-Semitism and I'll DEFY you to show me the sentence where I did

It sure looks like that's what you were suggesting with this post...

You were already acting as a PR agent for the Palestinians when you started quoting some of the people you mentioned, Yossi Bielin in particular. In fact, I seem to recall a post wherein you said that you saw him on TV and that, "he's a cutie." Although, in all fairness, I know that you wouldn't support Arafat because of his good looks. It is also indicative of prior bias to note that the "extraordinary Israelis" that you are attracted to are all from one end of the political spectrum. You don't seem to have any affinity for those who think that Sharon hasn't gone far enough and that all the Arabs should be expelled from "the river to the sea." Most Israelis do not agree with that stance but neither are they in favor of appeasment. What a shame that you seem to feel that the ideas of ordinary Israelis are unworthy of your consideration: that only those ideas that parallel your own are valid. I'm quite sure that Bielin and Co. didn't have to do much shaping to solidify your stance.

Why do you think the Palestinian leaders have refused to accept any compromise?

Israel agreed to the Oslo agreement, and it was Israel who reneged on it. Why won't Israel live up to it's agreements?

We have a skeleton, we didn't complete the house. The Oslo agreement has had a rather short occasion to implement itself, and that was between 1993 and 1996. The Oslo agreement was stopped in 1996 when the government in Israel was changed and Mr. Netanyahu became the Prime Minister. I think that the foundations and the structure of Oslo are still the best ones available. And once we shall have an opportunity, we shall complete the building that may withstand the winds of the outside world, and the skepticism of the people.

--Shimon Peres

Shimon Peres

This site should help you understand why the "generous offer" by Barak was not so generous...

Barak's generous offer

And according to some of the people who were a part of the Camp David peace process, the failure of that process was not the fault of any one person or nation...

Camp David

And according to Yitzhak Rabin, Arafat and the PLO were willing to work with him in stopping terrorism. (This was during the time when the Palestinians still had hope because they thought the Oslo agreement would be implemented)...

"In the last two years, not one Israeli has been killed by PLO terrorism," Rabin said. The real threat, he said, does not come from Israel's old adversaries - he pointedly included Syrian President Hafez al-Assad in the faded threat category - but from "the ugly wave of" Iranian-supported Islamic fundamentalism.

Yitzhak Rabin

And this from the Washington Post...

Though Arafat in the weeks before the summit had been looking for the Israelis to carry out their interim agreements before taking up a permanent settlement, he had agreed to go to Camp David on several conditions. One was that he would not be blamed for the possible failure of what he believed was a premature summit. Malley and Agha say Clinton volunteered that the United States would remain neutral in the case of a failure.

Yet when the talks collapsed, Clinton put top priority on helping Barak, whose considerable concessions had undercut his political standing at home.

More on Camp David

BTW If your sons father was Jewish and you are not, he is not considered Jewish. Only the child of a Jewish mother is considered Jewish. Unless, of course, he converts.

My son's father isn't Jewish, but we're pretty sure he has some Jewish ancestry (my ex-husband's father's father). Did the Nazis abide by the mother rule when they were rounding up Jews? And how much Jewish ancestry was enough to get people killed? I'm not too worried about it, but the thought has crossed my mind more than once.