This thread is way too long, and it's settled down into a style of discussion that doesn't do much good. I think that it might be better to follow the approach attempted in the PEACE in the Middle East thread.

So I feel uneasy at posting to this and refreshing it again in the process.

HOWEVER there was a post by Troll that I felt uneasy with, about the shooting of 12 year old Mohammed al-Durrah (he did have a name):

"There was an article in one of the news mags and also on line showing an after-the-fact mock-up of the positions of the child and his father, the IDF and whoever else was shooting. The fields of fire and the angles were wrong for the child to have been killed by the IDF. I also read - but can't recall where because it's been a while- that a ballistic test on the bullet that killed the child was from an AK47, a weapon that is not used by the IDF. Since I cannot provide documentation, I don't expect you to believe it but..."

It'd be great to believe that things that look liked atrocities were something else. But it needs more than rumours. After all, if you look around you can find websites and book that deny that the Holocaust took place. And saying there wasn't any moon landing.

Here is a report from the Guardian on the killing of little Mohammed in his father's arms. And from the same website, here is what Suzanne Goldenberg had to write about it.