Hell folks, I'm sorry, but my Dad was awful too and I'm a "chip" off the old block of "wood." I know I can be a bit "rough" at times, but many have seen that I've got some other intense sides making me difficult to "pin" down. Leej, there is nothing too negative between Shamb and I and nothing we can't "iron" out...'cept maybe this thread. Maybe if I keep this short, I can avoid that "trap." Of "course" I want to be sure we stay on target here so I will give some "links" back to the topic......I used to be in Augusta a lot as part of my job and I can assure you there are tons of cardinals there as well as the familiar ones in St. Louis and for obscure finanacial reasons, now in Arizona. It is the most popular state bird, but Arizona uses the roadrunner.

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