I LOVE the Senex Macdonaldus! I am going to learn it, pronto! The only "latin" I know is: "Illigitimus non carborundum" I too (mousethief) regret not having had latin in HS. My catholic friends knew bits and pieces and a couple of them attended a Catholic High School and had it taught them. One of the funniest scenes of Monty Python's "Life of Brian" is when Brian is "corrected" by the centurion!

CB