With you on that one Gervase and wasn't it such a joy to head those balls when the rain was belting down and you ended up with a nice big round mud spot on your forehead. The new balls are very light a team-mate brought one to our practise the other night and they rise very easily. Now I know that we are not of the calibre of Henry, Vieri and company but I can see why some of the best strikers in the world were blasting the ball well over the bar. Den