Could I suggest that discussions about the ins and outs and rights and wrongs of the system could be carried out on a different thread - I think it is useful to have a thread specifically for recording examples where the PEL restrictions have closed down or stopped particular venues etc.

The things is, it is so easy for that kind of infiormation to be buried in discussion. The discussion is relevant, because there is an enormous amount of misunderstanding of the legal situation here, by the authorities as well as by us. But the kind of people who need toi be turned around on this are much more challenged when we can throw actual cases at them rather than logical arguments.