Rick, nothing to do with the gist of this thread but you might be amused by this: my 80+ year old father who lives alone & doesn't get many visitors has taken to inviting the Jehovah's Witnesses in & giving them a cup of tea- he admits they can't get a word in edgeways as he no doubt gets on to his 3 favourite topics: his boring(-to me,but then I've heard them over and over for 50 years!)wartime RAF experiences; the state of English cricket and the state of English football- his policy for improvement being to shoot the players one by one to encourage the others to do better! I'd love to be a fly on the wall- as he's got quite deaf he probably can't hear what they are trying to say! So next time ask 'em in to provide chorus on a raunchy toon & watch 'em run!