"hardcore punk is the music of 20+ years ago, and all the truly great innovators of this genre are now, dare I say it, ADULTS! (or dead.)"

Ummm - most of them were already over 18 when they were creating their music. Their fans weren't adult (I know, I was one of them) Hardcore music today is different in some respects than punk, but rarely does it have the same depth of rage and hopelessness of some of the old stuff, nor does it have much of the humor of the 70s. Give me the Dead Kennedys over Marilyn Manson any day.

Oh, and GUEST - fuck off. Hopefully you're too stupid to have really metally harmed the kids you were nanny for, but you are a small-minded person.

I'm one member that is quite content with Mudcat and have been for 4 years.

pax yall