No wonder Mr Red, petr and Doug are cross. The people who did for the WTC are dead and gone. The so-called cowards were in fact dedicated and desperate enough that they were willing to die for their cause. It doesn't leave much to lash out at.

Because the FBI were caught flat-footed and because Bush's domestic agenda is going down the tubes, it has been convenient to create a myth that the hijackers were the mere tip of a worldwide mission.

Let's remember that they got their pilot training right there in the states (even being honest enough to explain that they weren't interested in how to land a plane), and they used BOXCUTTERS for Christ's sake. Any 20 of us here could have done the job.

Doug's brainless lust for revenge I find frankly nauseating. Intentionally or otherwise he is giving an impression that any muslim - maybe any foreigner will do. He will be aware that most of the 3,000 Afghani victims, and most of the hundreds now being detained in Cuba, had nothing whatsoever to do with the WTC, yet still he seems to get off on all the human misery being spread in his name.

As Doug seems happy to have yet more collateral blood spilt, it might be good to have his nearest and dearest somehow caught up in it. Not because of any personal grudge on my part, but because his imagination is too limited for him to realise any other way what "collateral" is all about. Anyway, it might as well be his folk as any other innocent civilians.

Incidentally, I thought this was a telling remark: "...most of us still drive cars and use electricity without thinking about it [energy consumption]." Only in America, petr. Only in America!