well it fitted the clue, Nigel, but it wasnt the answer. Dont feel hurt. I didnt even get allowed Hard Times, even though I was right, because in my hurry I hadnt typed out "of old England".Frankly, Nigel, just between you and me and the gatepost, I think this IanC can dish it out, but he can't take it. I've noticed he's always setting quizzes, but he never answers any of mine. Suspicious,eh? I think he gets all his quizzes out of a magazine, and doesn't really understand the answers. But don't tell anyone I said so. Mum's the word, eh? Well,toodle pip, must be getting along.