I agree with ending this, as far as I'm concerned, but not for the sake of civil discourse. Those who make the loudest arguments against gun control, always ignoring that we are not saying "gun banning", are not really coming up with adult ideas, so this is not really a discussion or an argument among equals. It's a bunch of adults, angry at this point in time, trying to communicate with programmed robots. If this is vitriol, then so be it. I must say that quoting Thomas Jefferson, about being willing to give up freedom for security, is entirely out of place here. One last thing, if you can find a French movie from a few years ago called "Hate", you may see what a big difference there is between an open gun culture (like ours in the US) and a controlled one (obviously, France). When violence comes, as it does everywhere sooner or later, a lot less people end up dead when guns are not growing on trees.

I'm done, Chet W.