Thanks Alison, I checked out the site and there was a lot of good stuff on there but I'm afraid still the same problem. You see I don't read music at all, I play everything by ear. I know there is some really good advice on the site, I guess its just me I just need to see how to play the ornamentation before actually trying it. Are you the Alison from Belfast? A long time ago I posted a message trying to find out if anyone new the words to The old Woman from Belfast and you (if you are the that person) were keen to know the song. I think way back then when someone kindly posted the words I neglected to post the tune. If you are the same Alison then the tune is the same as the Juice of the Barley. I know it was a long time ago but I have three young boys and my life is not my own any more.