Boberts 'retraction": Okay, it's not millions every year but it's a lot and if I get time I'll come back with my sources. And Dougie, I said Die "in" poverty not die "of" poverty since then one can say, "Well, what part of poverty caused the death?" and then we end up arguing how many angels can dance on the end of a pin.

I'll do some bombing around and come up with some harder numbers for you all who think things are so peachy for our elderly folks. Maybe you eldery folks. I worked as a social worker for many years in Richmond, Va. and worked in adult services and my case load was a mix of revolving door mental folks and old folks. I still have friend who are social workers in adult services who tell me that the case loads are increasing steadily. These folks, my friends all live well below the poverty level most will not see their situations improve before they die.

And I'm sticken to the premise that we ain't seen nuthin yet as the Baby Boomers head into old age. Especially with Junior's War still be paid for.

Bobert