Hi Charley, I wasn't making a point with that post, just adding an extra to the pot. It'd be quite the ramble to dicuss origins & to put a time line up for what dated where & which came from which. Though I do have strong notions as to what the dimise of what Whall calls real/new shanties & who's golden age of the shanty came when where & how? IMHO. See ya soon somewhere. Barry