Laurie, all credit to yer and much thanks for arranging the Carnival session. It's a personal thing I know, but given a choice I really do prefer the Sloop. I admit that the toilets are a bit rich but the accoustic in the room is much better. If the Sloop becomes permanently sprouted, The Carnivore is an acceptable alternative, but does the venue have that much of a bearing? I am sure the crowd of mates present last night would have had as good a time in the bloody Vicar Inn in Twillingsgate.