These are two that I listened to constantly in the late 60s. It was only when I picked up "The Many Sides of Fred Neil" - a 2 CD release of his 3 albums plus some other stuff - that I realized just how much they sound alike. Not just becouse Tim recorded Fred's Dolphin song. It those 12 string "strum" songs that just kind of go off and get lost and either come back or just poop out that makes the connection for me. I do recommend the CD.

DW