Ah Wesley a voice with something constructive to say at last. We are mixing up the natural anger at the parents with the necessity of finding a way of reducing hideous child abuse. I can recall cases like this back to Maria Colwell some thirty years ago. If you go back into the history of the mother, you find that she was a horribly abused child too. It is not an excuse for her behaviour and my feelings towards her boyfriend are as violent and contemptuous as any other commentator here. The mother was a persecuted, humiliated child who went on to become a persecuting, humiliating mother. So was this just a coincidence?