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Thread #54772   Message #852427
Posted By: GUEST,val_org@hotmail.com
23-Dec-02 - 12:16 AM
Thread Name: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
Subject: RE: Origins: Rose, Rose, Rose (Round)
While I'm still no closer to knowing anything definite about the history and origins of the round Rose, I have turned up many verses to the tune, as well as several related parts sung to differing tunes.

While I see no evidence that they were actually sung to the "Rose" tune, the Bedlam Bards have recorded two Middle English verses (shown below) which fit the tune both metrically and in terms of subject matter.

So, I'll keep looking for more on the history and origins...

"Rose, Rose" tune
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1. Rose Variant A (learned as a Girl Scout)
Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at they will, sire,
At thy will.

2. Rose Variant B (two related verses)
Rose, Rose, Rose Red,
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, sire.
At thy will.

Rose, Rose, Rose White,
Will you be my love tonight?
I'll lay with thee at thy will, sire.
At thy will.

3. Rose Variant C
Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Wilt thou ever marry me?
Ah yes sir, that I may -
If thou will but stay.

3. All Night by the Rose in Middle English (with translation)
(after 1300) (MS Rawlinson D. 913)

Al nyght by the rose, rose,
Al nyght by the rose I lay.
Durste I noght the rose stele;
And yet I bar the flour awey.

All night by the rose, rose,
All night by the rose I lay.
Dared I not the rose to steal
And yet I bore the flower away.

4. I am Rose in Middle English (with translation)
(Camb. Univ. MS. Hh.6.11)

I am Rose, wo is me,
Sutere þat i suete þe;
I wacs þat weylawey,
cherles hand me þristet ay.

I am Rose, woe is me.
Sweeter than the sweet I be.
I wax in grief and misery:
A churlish hand has pluck-ed me.

5. "Bells" verses
Ding dong, ding dong
Wedding bells on an April morn
Carve my name on a moss covered stone,
On a moss covered stone.

Ding dong, ding dong
Funeral bells on a September morn,
Rose, oh Rose, is dead and gone sire,
Dead and gone.

6. Peace Round by Jeane Ritchie
Oh, what a goodly thing
If the children of the earth
Could dwell together
In peace.

7. I won't be my mother's Jack,
And I won't be my father's Jill.
I will be a fiddler's wife
And fiddle, as I will.

8. The Gospel is Love (another verse learned as a Girl Scout)
Love, love, love, love,
The gospel in this world is love.
Love thy neighbor as they brother,
Love, love, love.

Other tunes
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1. Hey ho
Hey, ho, nobody's home
Meat nor drink nor money have I none
Still I will be very, very merry
Hey, ho, nobody's home.

2. Ah Poor Bird
Ah poor bird
Take thy flight
High above the sorrows
Of this sad night

3. Hawthorne Tree (Middle English with translation, to "Ah Poor Bird" tune)
Evere kynd af tre,
Swa evere kynd af tre,
The hawþorn groweþ sworte
Swa evere kynd af tre.

Me leman she schal be,
Me leman she schal be,
Þe faerest af evere kynd,
Me leman she schal be.

Every kind of tree,
Of every kind of tree,
The hawthorne is the sweetest
Of every kind of tree.

My lady she shall be,
My lady she shall be,
The fairest of every kin,
My lady she shall be.

4. Thirty Days hath November (Middle English)

Thirti dayes hath nouembir,
April, iune, and septembir;
Of tuenti-eighte hath but oon,
And all the remenaunt thirti and oon.

Thirty days has November,
April, June and September;
Of twenty-eight there is but one,
And all the remnant have thirty-one.


In addition to all of these, we've found that Rolling of the Stones can be sung with the various verses above as well.