Guest, I am not saying that there aren't places for education, I am saying that on the VAST majority of the conditions caused by the excesses as I listed, education gets poor results. Like to stay and chat, but I am off to DONATE my time at the local health department. Ya see I don't just bitch about the situation, I actually put my time and money in to try to help make it better. also, it is kinda elementary school to name call, wouldn't you say? I guess not.