Daylia; I don't "believe" the poll results of "my own government" because THE POLL IS FLAWED. How bull-headed must you be about this? Why do you keep ignoring the fact that this poll is ONE source of information that may well be inaccurate? You say you are interested in "truth." You can't get "truth" from looking at only one source, and a clearly-flawed one at that. Your refusal to explain your "knowledge" of the Masons because you think I won't "believe" you because I know a faulty poll when I see one is kind of defeatist isn't it? And convenient.

I am quite tolerant of open-minded, compassionate Christians. Your implication that I will "get what's coming to me" karmically is based on your belief that I am intolerant of all Christians. I'm not, and I already said that once. Your tendency to paint all things in shades of black and white is not going to get you very far.

You have also said more than once you're done posting to this thread but you keep lobbing those parting shots.

Lurker; I'd agree that the Masons do have many different permutations and it is possible some of them maintain more of the original order's occult rites than others. But the vast majority of them are not too far removed from the Elks or the Moose.