Buck check out the site I posted above about the symbols and slogans on your money (if you're really interested, and not just trying to argue). I think it's pretty credible, and I've come across that information in many volumes/sites about ancient occult symbols and geometry. I'll try to find the 'mathematics' site I originally found the information on last fall, and post it here if anyone's interested. It was the most 'neutral' information I'd found to date.

If it weren't for direct personal experience with the occult practices of ONE (and only one) of these Orders, I wouldn't waste my time trying to sort out any of the allegations - in fact I wouldn't have the slightest interest in Freemasonry at all. But it happened. Hence my interest. And believe me, it had nothing to do with the Shriners!

And I'm not trying to 'lend credibility' to anything! I'm just looking for the truth. So I hafta start somewhere!

daylia