I must admit, Pooka, that the idea of a person who isn't Jewish being a Zionist had not occurred to me.

As to your tribal loyalties, I will have to admit, also, that the only tribe to which I am completely loyal is the Human Race. That being the case, I don't stand by silently while any one group of people seeks domination over another group or commits ethnic cleansing of another group, if I am in a position to speak up. That especially goes for groups who do these things with my tax dollars, thus making me actively complicit.

As for national loyalty, mine isn't particularly strong, except that I believe in doing whatever is to the highest good of all concerned. That means everyone. And I do believe there is such a thing. But too many people are too focused on the small picture to see that reality.

Forum Lurker, I long ago realized that the best way for me to learn about subjects like the middle east, and in this case, Israel and Zionism, is to read and listen to arguments or debates between people who are in the same group but who hold different opinions on some things. So I've seen your argument, and I know that it is not universally held by either Israelis, Jews, or Zionists. Nevertheless, I'll bow to your use of the word for the purpose of this thread, since you're the one with whom I'm communicating.