An interesting point of view Jon. It brings up the point that things can be traditional to one group but not necessarily to society as a whole.

And talking about football songs, there is a song that is traditional amongst 'West Ham United' Soccer Fans. They sing 'I'm forever blowing bubbles' whenever the game gets slow.

It is traditional in that it has been passed down through a couple of generations of fans but it is certainly not a 'traditional' song by most definitions.

So there is a lot of overlap when it comes to defining 'folk' and 'traditional' songs.

Hey!, perhaps we should start singing 'I'm forever blowing bubbles' whenever our arguments get too obscure ;-)

Bert.