May cooler heads prevail . . .

There is little point in pursuing this thread -- I just looked it over, and it started out fairly well, but then deteriorated into evidence based on personal experiences (spurious), and emotional opinions.

I would like to make one point, however, then I think I will start a new thread on what Gunter Grass has just written about the current US administration. Daylia said:

"Suicide, regardless of the motives behind it, IS a violent act -- the most violent that can be perpetrated against the self."

Actually, Daylia, I have to disagree with you. My daughter committed suicide 4 years ago last January. Her death was peaceful, caused by an overdose of pills. I think that a suicide can be violent, but that violence in suicide is defined by the the manner in which one takes one's own life.