Amos, when you mentioned Genghis Khan, the first thing that popped into my mind, was that he was one of the first to win battles with the concept of Shock and Awe. Seems to me he took a number of places around the Danube with those tactics. (Seems to me some people also painted themselves blue and played really weird horns that had the same affect as well). *BG* ....same old, same old.......