Carol, you can't mean what you say... Read your last two sentences with regard to Clinton. Thats about as close as you have ever come to calling Clinton a venal bag of puss.

Hardly. And neither would I call GW Bush a venal bag of puss, even though I have proof that he is a liar. I just don't have the need to be as venomous as you when talking about politicians I disagree with. But you know as well as I do that I have said many times that I have lost respect for Clinton because of a lie he promoted. But it's not a lie about his sex life, and I didn't find out about it until after he left office.

But I love your last two sentences (and am glad the Republicans would push out two men from the third most powerful position in the Nation, over moral indiscretions...) I gives me faith that someone cares...

What TIA said. The Republicans don't, and never did care about their own people committing acts of questionable morality. All they care about is whether or not the public perception will be effected in a negative way if it gets out. Hell, they don't even really care what the Democrats do in their personal lives except to the extent that they can use it as a weapon.

To me, one of the most immoral things a politician can do is to use his or her office for personal gain at the expense of the voters. That's something that both sides are quite guilty of, and that isn't going to change until we get the soft money out of the election process.

Oh, yeah... that, and using the Homeland Security Act to track down state legislators, which is an internal issue and not what the HSA is supposed to empower people to do, and is an inexcusable abuse of power. Now, any politician who endorses an action like that one, I might consider calling a "venal bag of puss".