I will finish where I began. I want everyone who has posted messages on this thread in support of a " real Jesus" - as presented in the Bible, to read " The Jesus Mysteries". But the problem with that request is obvious; if a person believes in Jesus - and that belief is central to who they are -, why would they want to read a book that could/would shake that belief. They wouldn't would they? If you believe in Jesus, it must be a matter of faith, and surely to read anything that flies in the face of that faith is .. a betrayal of that faith, and a betrayal of Jesus.