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Thread #57663   Message #979933
Posted By: The Shambles
09-Jul-03 - 01:20 PM
Thread Name: Licensing Bill moves on -OUR FUTURE
Subject: RE: Licensing Bill moves on -OUR FUTURE
The difference of course is massive...

Why oh why this complicated fiasco? It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

All premises first have to have a Premises Licence and an have imposed safe capacity limit in order to apply and gain permission for entertainment to take place.

If these premises have a safe capacity limit of more than the limit - or do not have one imposed at all - then licensing conditions for all four of the Bill's objectives can be placed against the entertainment permission [the so-called tick box].

If the premises have a safe capacity limit that is less than the limit - although conditions on all four of the Bill's objectives can be placed against the enetrtainment permission - but only two of them can take effect.

But

Say the Premises Licence (which is subject to all four of the Bill's objectives and /or entertainment permission should be denied on the grounds of all four objectives - say loud music or whatever.

Although conditions that would allow non amplified muisic cannot be placed against the entertainment permission - if this permission were denied - there would be no entertainment permission conditions to disapply - so non amplified music is prevented where there are no grounds to do so.

And there is no way of enabling non amplified music (unless a Morris side is dancing to it) - for if is regular and not incidental, it must first have this entertainment permission.

I think this is 'Catch 22 / Schedule 1'.

What the DCMS/Lords/Commons appear to believe and are trying to tell us that non amplified music is safe (in small pubs only) because although a Premises Licence/safe capacity and entertainment permission will first be required - conditions relating to say noise will not kick-in for non amplified music.

Ignoring the very real the possibilty that the optional entertainment permission may not even be applied for and may be refused if it is.

In which case all non amplified music will have been prevented by the Bill in the 95% of currently licensed premises that could provide it now [as long as there were no more then two performers], if no entertainment permission under the Bill is applied for or if is refused.

And I am still trying to work out how all this will prevent in advance these amplified right-wing, gun promoting, punk heavy metal bands that the Chief Police Officer was so determined that a simple small events exemption from the licensing requirement would exposes us all to.....