Max- I wish you'd reconsider. I divorced myself from the Irish Traditional Music List because they couldn't find any way of dealing with an annoying poster other than kicking him off; I think that free discussion means just that. Nobody's sadder to see people like Shambles and Martin leave than I am; I wish they'd reconsider. But the real problem is, IMO, all those people that rise to the bait and keep posting and posting and posting on threads that would die of their own accord if left alone. To my thinking, a little censorship is like a little pregnancy.