"You liberals?" Again, what the hell are you talking about? Sounds to me like you pigeon-hole people on the basis of what you think they believe, then either agree with them or argue with them on that basis. Simplistic. Cheesy thinking.

When someone calls me a "liberal"--or for that matter, when someone calls me a "conservative--and that has happened--I know that they are not really hearing what I'm saying, they're hearing some collection of prepackaged ideas that they have tucked away in their heads. From that point on, I figure they're not worth arguing with.

Don Firth