That was brilliant Amos..allthough I knew about the story of D+J,I didnt realise that there was a poem...We should be honest about our relationships...Women like a challenge, they latch on to all the wild men and try to change them...If they succeed they are pissed off because their left with a mammys boy..The most important thing to us men is of course sex and any man who tells you he loves committment and all that stuff is either lying through his teeth, or been got at by some control freak with big boobs....Any way i could go on forever in this vein so ill go before the monsterous ranks descend. P S I wonder if Gargoyle would help me in this one man war against the sugary cake and syrup machine...Ake