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Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli

GUEST,dermot mac 20 Dec 01 - 10:08 AM
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Subject: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelling
From: GUEST,dermot mac
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 10:08 AM

Hi People,

Looking for some great lyrics about the Scottish crofters struggle for Land reform. Heard it in a bar in Holland 2 years ago - it used the same air as Donald where's your Trousers

I know "Lord Brockett" was in the lyrics somewhere and possibly "Knoydart"

have been all over the Net looking for this.

Not a lot to go on i know but may ring a bell with somebody

thanks

Dermot dermot_mac@hotmail.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 12:11 PM

No joy--do you have any lyric snippets at all? I found the rising referred to, I think. 1948, thereabouts?


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Subject: Lyr Add: BALLAD OF THE MEN OF KNOYDART
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 12:26 PM

As so often with Scottish songs, Susanne's (and Henry's) webpage come to help (all below is copied and pasted from there):

MEN OF KNOYDART
(Trad / Hamish Henderson)

It was down by the farm of Scottas Lord Brocket walked one day
When he saw a sight that troubled him far more than he could say
For the seven men of Knoydart were doing what they planned
They'd staked their claims, they were digging drains on Brocket's private land

You bloody Reds, Lord Brocket yelled, What's this you're doing here
It doesn't pay, as you'll find today, to insult an English peer
You're only Scottish half wits but I'll have you understand
You Highland swine, these hills are mine, this is all Lord Brocket's land

Then up spoke the men of Knoydart, Away and shut your trap
For threats from a Saxon brewer's boy we just don't give a rap
Now we are all ex-servicemen who fought against the Hun
We can tell our enemies by now - Brocket, you are one

When the noble lord he heard these words he turned purple in the face
He said, These Scottish savages are Britain's black disgrace
I know it's true I've let some few thousand acres go to pot
But the lot I'd give to a London spiv before any bloody Scot

You're a crowd of tartan bolshies but I'll soon have you licked
I'll write to the Court of Session for an interim interdict
I'll write to my London lawyer and he will understand
Och, to hell with your London lawyer, we want our Scottish land

Then up spoke the men of Knoydart, You have no earthly right
For this is the land of Scotland and not the Isle of Wight
When Scotland's proud Fianna wi' ten thousand lads is manned
We'll show the world that Highlanders have a right tae Scottish land

(as sung by Hamish Imlach)


[1965:] [Sprung] from events like the crofters' land seizures in Wester Ross, and the Home Rule agitation of the previous years. (Henderson, Alias MacAlias
13)

[1965:] At one of the Belfast hoolies [in the late 1940s], I heard such a spirited rendering of Johnston's Motor Car (from Jean Connor) that the tune kept
dancing in my memory. A few weeks later when I was returning from a short holiday in Scotland aboard one of the Burns-Laird steamers, I composed The
Men of Knoydart to that same air. The song began while we were lying at the Broomielaw, and was complete before the Clyde coast faded from sight. It had
its premiere in Kelly's Cellars in Belfast the following lunch-time. (Henderson, Alias MacAlias 288)

[1976:] Vor etwa 150 Jahren haben die Landbesitzer ihre kleinen Pächter aus den Highlands verjagt, um für die Schafzucht Platz zu erhalten, weil das mehr
Gewinn brachte. Dann haben die reichen Leute mit der Schafzucht aufgehört, um das Land für einige Wochen im Jahr zur Jagd auf Hirsche u. a. zu gebrauchen.
Die Männer von Knoydart kehren in die Highlands zurück. Sie fangen an, den guten Boden zu rekultivieren. Das ist der Anfang eines drei Jahre dauernden
Rechtsstreits mit dem Landbesitzer. Natürlich verlieren die Männer. (Notes Hamish Imlach, 'Scottish Sabbath')

[1985:] About a land raid in the north west of Scotland in 1948, but really a protest against absentee land owners. (Notes Hamish Imlach, 'Sonny's Dream')

[1996:] Providing they have the cash, anyone can buy land in Scotland and do what they want with it. Or nothing at all. [...] Any day now those left on the
remote Knoydart Estate may know the identity of their third absentee landlord in 10 years. In November it was sold by a subsidiary of the jute firm, Titaghur,
whose chairman, Reg Brealey, had planned a kind of Outward Bound school for teenage inner-city ne'er-do-wells on its historic acres. He bought the remaining
17,000 acres from Surrey businessman Phillip Rhodes, who had whittled the estate down from 160,000 acres by selling off prime blocks of land. The new
owners [...] are the anonymous Kinloch Investment Company. The estate, which once supported hundreds, now provides work for 50 people. [...] As the
commentator John Robertson put it: 'Some legislatures have made the right of the people superior to the chief. British law makers made the right of the chief
everything and those of his followers nothing.' In the 150 years since he wrote that, little has changed. (Ron McKay, Observer, 3 March)

[1996:] Charles Ronald George Nall-Cain, the third Baron Brocket, [...] inherited his title from his grandfather (his father had died when he was little) in 1967
when he was a 15-year-old Eton schoolboy [...]. (Observer, 9 June)

[1997:] Nor did the Prime Minister have a reply to the Lord Brocket Question: If hereditary peers - even the fraudster scions of Nazi sympathisers whose
grandfathers bought their titles from Lloyd George - are really such an adornment to democracy, why doesn't he create more of them? (Andrew Rawnsley,
Observer, 23 Feb)

[1998:] In Scotland, the landowner who inherits a feudal 'superiority' has some antique rights. One is preemption: if I buy land or a house from my 'superior', I
must offer it to him or her first when I sell it again. Another is the ancient 'feu' itself. This is - or was - the grant of a heritable tenancy for all time subject to
conditions. [...] Many reformers think 'feudalism' an outrage. But there's another side to it. Feudalism is about ownership which isn't absolute but conditional -
an idea now alien to English law. As the land reformer Andy Wightman said the other day, how would it be if a local community, and not some clan chief or
German speculator, were the landowner and feudal superior? How would it be if that community gave out feus of land on condition that it was properly farmed,
that the owner was not an absentee, that the heirs did not abuse their social privilege? [...]
Since 1886, the crofters of the Highlands and Islands have been protected in their tenancies. But a web of restrictions limits what they may do with their land.
No such restrictions affect their landlords. [...] Many Highland landlords are open and generous with their tenants. But there is also a stream of horror stories.
The Knoydart estate near Mallaig currently belongs to a Sheffield speculator whose company faces several court cases and one of whose partners is in jail in
Germany. Efforts by the local community to buy out the company, said to have debts of 1.4 million pounds, have so far failed. But community buy-outs are the
solution now in vogue. Compulsory purchase is out, in the New Labour era. The Assynt crofters in Sutherland showed the way a few years ago, buying their
land and running it successfully under democratic control. [Donald] Dewar intends to use the 'New Opportunities Fund', with lottery money, to support
community purchases [...]. All the parties likely to share power in the Scottish Parliament - Labour, the SNP and the Liberal Democrats - intend to 'abolish
feudal relics', help community acquisition of land, encourage tenant rights and shake up the Land Register - still incomplete, and still allowing landowners to
remain anonymous. (Although 600 individuals own half of Scotland, the public has no right to know their names.) (Neal Ascherson, Observer, 4 Oct)

Tune: Johnston's Motor Car

Scotland

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 12:27 PM

doh--I always forget to check her place!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 12:40 PM

Just to tell the truth, Sorcha (assuming that you are as interested as I am in searches), I got it by an AllTheWeb search going for webpages that had 'knoydart' and 'lyrics' and 'crofters' in them (but I knew I had struck gold when I saw Susanne's familiar URL). And before that I had a couple of blank searches as long as I still had 'Lord Brockett' among the words to search for. Brockett/Brocket, one could have thought of that, but I didn't.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 05:43 PM

:-)))))


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 06:54 PM

Sorry to be a pest, but I've websearched for chords under both 7 men of Knoydart and Johnson' Motor Car without success. Does anyone have them?

Many thanks


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Subject: Lyr Add: BALLAD OF THE MEN OF KNOYDART (S. Mor)
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:03 PM

BALLAD OF THE MEN OF KNOYDART
By Seumas Mor, as sung by Hamish Henderson
Tune: "Johnston's Motor Car"

Three verses are left out of the version posted by Wolfgang. Here they are:

3. "I'll write to Arthur Woodburn, boys,
And they will let you know,
That the 'Sacred Rights of Property'
Will never be laid low.
With your stakes and tapes, I'll make you traipse
From Knoydart to the Rand:
You can dig for gold till you're stiff and cold-
But not on this 'ere land."

7. When Brocket heard these fightin' words,
He fell down in a swoon,
But they splashed his jowl with uisge,
And he woke up mighty soon,
And he moaned, "These Dukes of Sutherland
Were right about the Scot.
If I had my way I'd start today
And clear the whole damn lot!"

9. "You may scream and yell, Lord Brocket-
You may rave and shout.
But the lamp we've lit in Knoydart
Will never now go out.
For Scotland's on the march, my boys-
We think it won't be long.
Roll on the day when the Knoydart Way
Is Scotland's Battle Song."

The song is incomplete without these verses.
From the Rebels Ceilidh Songbook.
www.electricscotland.com/si/songbook/menof_knoydart.htm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: MMario
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:06 PM

one set of chords are here

url=http://users.cgiforme.com/irishlyrics/messages/3313.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Dec 01 - 07:46 PM

Knoydart- A Wilderness Rescued. Quotes from a recent article.
675,000 pounds have been raised. The public is being asked to contribute 30,000 pounds to make the current business plan viable. Thirty thousand hectares (about 75,000 acres) are involved in the peninsula. Some remnants of the "Great forests of Caledon are there."
Contribute to the Knoydart Foundation, Knoydart, By Mallaig, Scotland PH41 4PL.
More information at www.mountain-portal.co.uk/knoydart.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: GUEST,Diarmuid McKenna
Date: 21 Dec 01 - 07:12 AM

Unbelievable - thank you one and all - the Mudcat rules

May I wish you all a Happy Christmas and a Peaceful New Year

Diarmuid


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Song about Crofters rebelli
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 28 Dec 01 - 07:21 AM

Thanks MMario


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