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Subject: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 03:33 AM

Also see Song Origins
This PermaThread™ first posting really belongs to George Seto as he started the original thread: Origins of: found on Mudcat and, has been the most prolific contributor. Thanks, George! Thanks, also, to everyone else who has contributed links to threads on the origins of songs.

For those of you who wish to have your comments and contributions preserved, please continue to post to the above linked thread, where they will be left, permanently.

If you do not mind them being deleted, once I've put in your song link contributions, feel free to post them to this thread, which will be edited.

Please report any mistakes or broken links to me, in this thread, or by PM. Thanks!

This is a PermaThread. I reserve the right to edit or delete messages in this thread, so it will serve as a permanent reference.
-katlaughing-
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(A)

Acadian Driftwood
Acres of Clams
All Around The Hat
All The Tunes in the World
Amazing Grace
Amelia's Waltz
Andrew Rose
Annathea Stole a Stallion
Ard Tí Chuain/Quiet Land of Erin
Arthur McBride
Art Thieme's new cd w/lyrics
Auld Lang Syne
Auld Lang Syne
A Warning For Married Women/House Carpenter

(B)

Babes In The Wood
Ballad of Glencoe (See "Massacre of Glencoe," also)
Banks of Sicily
Barrett's Privateers
Barbara Allen
Barbara Allen
Another: Barb'ry Allen
Battle of New Orleans
Battle of New Orleans
Be Thou My Vision / Rop Tú Mo Baile
Big Rock Candy Mountain, Burl Ives' version(good stuff on the origin)
Billy O'Shea - Shanty
Blackbird of Sweet Avondale
Black Velvet Band
Black Velvet Band
Bluenose
Bluenose
Bluenose
(De) Blue Tail Fly
The Boatman - Fear a Bhàta
Boil Dem Cabbage Down
Bonnie Jean Cameron
Bonny Portmore
Bonny Portmore
Bread & Roses - A Women's Labour Song
Buain Na Rainich / Tha Mi Sgìth
Bury me not on the Lone Prairie? (The Dying Cowboy)

C

Canadian Boat Song
Canticle From Scarborough Fair
Capital Punishment, songs about (1998)
Caribbean Music - Calypso to Reggae
Carol of the Bagpipes
Carrickfergus
Carrick Fergus
Carrick Fergus
Casey Jones
Casey Jones
Chastity Belt
Christmas Bells - I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day
Christ Child Lullaby - Taladh Chriosta
Christmasse Comes But Once A Year variant of Greensleeves
Christmas in the Trenches
Cosher Bailey please see: Hob-i-derry Dando
Cotton Eyed Joe
Cowboy's Lament/Streets of Laredo
Croppy Boy

(D)

NEW:The Dark Isle (This is chronologically 1st)
Tune Req:The Dark Isle. Anyone kno (this is chronologically 2nd)
Dark Island
Dark Island 2
Deck The Hall / Nos Galen
Delia
Desiderata
Digital Tradition History
Digital Tradition, more about
Digital Tradition, a little more
Dixie; Dixie's Land
Dona Dona
Dona, Dona - Meaning
Don't Fence Me In
Don't Fence Me In with links to other threads
Down Our Street
Do Ye Ken John Peel?
Drinking Gourd
Drop of Nelson's Blood - Reality?
Dueling Banjos

(E)

EASY AND SLOW
Echo Carol (While By My Sheep) (Als ich bei meinen Schafen wach)
Ella Speed
English Country Garden
English version of German O Du Fröliche Three titles: O Du Fröliche, O Sanctissima, O Thou Joyful Day, and tune, Sicilian Mariners
Erin's Green Shore

(F)

Fairy Boy
False Bride/I Loved a Lad(Lass)
Farewell, Indiana
Farewell to Nova Scotia
Farewell Shanty Farewell To The Mountains (Davy Crockett)
Fear a Bhàta - The Boatman
Fields of Athenry
Fiddler's Green
Fill, Fill, a Run O
Follow the Drinking Gourd
Forty Below - Alternate Red River Valley
Four Marys
Frankie & Johnny - New Thread
Frankie & Johnny
Freeze the Balls off a Brass Monkey - Not a song, but the expression

(G)

Garryowen
Garden Party - See "Ricky Nelson - Garden Party"
The Gartan Mother's Lullaby
Gentleman Soldier/Sentry Box/Soldier's Cloak
Goin' Back to the Blue Ridge Mountains
Going To the West
Good bye Old Paint - Please see "Old Paint"
Goodnight Irene
Goodnight Loving Trail (thread title is Midnight Loving Trail
Good Old Rebel
Gospel Origin-Civil Rights & Labor Songs
Green Fields of France - See "No Man's Land"
Green grow - Green Grow the Laurels, Green Grow the Lilacs, The Green Laurel, The Orange and Blue. This song cluster discussed at length in "Why Mexicans Call Them Gringos." Also see LAUREL
Greensleeves
Greensleeves
Gypsy Rover
Gypsy Rover

(see next posting for continuation)


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:15 AM

(H)

Happy Birthday Song
Happy Birthday Song
Hard Times Come Again No More
Hector The Hero
High Noon/Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling
Hob-i-derry Dando evolved to Cosher Bailey the rugby song
Holly and the Ivy - Older discussion
Holly and the Ivy - Some recent insights
Home on the Range
Hound Dog Original Version??
House of the Rising Sun
Hush Hush, Time to be Sleeping

(I)

I Dreamed There Were Unicorns - Bill Caddick
If I Were a Blackbird
If I Were A Blackbird
I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen
Iko Iko - Please see "Jacamo finane?"
In the Bleak Mid-winter
I Ride An Old Paint - Please see "Old Paint"
I Wish I Wish

(J)

Jacamo finane? Actual title IKO IKO
Jimmy Cracked Corn
John Henry
John Henry's Origin Solved?
Johnny Be Fair
Joy of My Heart

(K)

Keep On the Sunny Side
Kelligrew's Soiree
(Kishmul's Galley)Who Was Kishmul
Kisses Sweeter Than Wine
Kumbaya
Another one on Kumbaya

(L)

Lads of Virginia - History?; Weary in Virginny, O Two different songs in same thread
LAGAN LOVE
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
Laurel - variations on Green Grow the Rashes (Burns), Green Grow the Rushes; The Green Laurel/Green Grows the Laurel. Also see GREEN GROWS
Lavender Blue/Dilly Dilly
Let Me Fish Off Cape St. Mary's
Lines Upon The Water
Little Beggarman
Lippai
Loch Lomond referencing an early version called Flora's Lament for her Charlie
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond & Red Is the Rose
Loch Tay Boat Song
Log Driver's Waltz
Londonderry Air/Danny Boy
Long Black Veil
Lord of the Dance

(M)

Maggie(When You and I Were Young)
Magpie
Mairi's Wedding
Tune For Mairi's Wedding
Mary Ellen Carter
Mary Mild
Massacre of Glencoe (see "Ballad of Glencoe," also)
Master of the Sheepfold (also see Poor Lil' Brack Sheep)
Merrily Kissed the Quaker's Wife
Midnight Loving Trail - please see Goodnight Loving Trail
Mingulay Boat Song
Miss Otis AND, Chords for
Mist Covered Mountains/Chì Mi Na Mórbheana
Molly Bawn, etc
Molly Maguires
Molly Malone

Mormon Folk Songs Important thread with songs important to history:Bullfight on the San Pedro; Zack, the Mormon Engineer; John D. Lee (Mountain Meadows related); The Double Tragedy; Brighter Days in Store (see Hard Times Come Again No More); All Are Talking of Utah; The Desert Route (tells the story of the Mormon Batallion that founded the Desert Wagon Route during the Mexican War that led to the Gadsen Purchase from Mexico and eventual building of the Southern Pacific route).

Morning Has Broken
Mouse on the barroom floor
MTA Song, The
My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean
My Darling Clementine
My Green Valleys
My Wild Irish Rose

(N)

NEW San Antonio Rose
1913 Massacre
No Man's Land (Green Fields of France)
Northwest Passage
Northwest Passage Now Is the Hour

(O)

Ode to Billy Joe/Talahassie(sic) Bridge
Ode to Billy Joe/Jumped off a bridge?
O Du Fröliche, English version of German Three titles: O Du Fröliche, O Sanctissima, O Thou Joyful Day, and tune, Sicilian Mariners
Oh Dem Golden Slippers
Old Dun Cow
Old Paint
Help: houlihan? Old Paint Good-by, Old Paint (Lomax cpl. 1910, also 1938 versions)I Ride An Old Paint(Larkin 1931)(Best thread with complete songs and reliable term definitions)
Old Rugged Cross
One Meat Ball-Burl Ives ("Lone Fish Ball," the first version from 1855, in the thread)

(P)

Paddy's Lamentation/BY THE HUSH
Peggy Gordon/Caledonia/When I First Went To Caledonia
Peter Amberlay - New Brunswick Song
Poor Lil' Brack Sheep
The Pretty Girl Milking Her Cow
Puff The Magic Dragon

(Q)

(R)

Raggle Taggle Gypsy
Raglan Road
Red Haired Man's Wife
Red Is The Rose
Red River Valley (Also see "Forty Below")
Reynardine
Ricky Nelson - Garden Party
Robin Hood ballads
Rochester Recruiting Sergeant
Róisín Dubh
Roll, Alabama, Roll
Roll me over in the Clover
Roll ON The Day
Rose of Allendale
Rose of Tralee
Rosin the Bow
Rushes O -Green Grow the Rushes O (Sandys 1833), and its cluster, including The Twelve Apostles, The Ten Commandments, Children Go Where I Send Thee, How Shall I Send Thee.

(S)

St. James Infirmary
Sally in our Alley
(NEW) San Antonio Rose
Scarborough Fair
Scarborough Fair
Scarborough Fair - Uncorrupting The Corruptible
Scottish Emigrant's Farewell
Sea Chanteys That wonderful one that Cranky Yankee started
Seven Drunken Nights
Shel Silverstein's Unicorn
Shenandoah
She Moved Through the Fair
Show Me The Way To Go Home
Si Bheag Si Mhor / Shee Beg Shee More

sick note/murphy and the bricks a thread started by Pat Cooksey, the author of the song; the definitive thread on the origins of this song.

This must count as one of the earliest threads #32:
Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note

Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note
Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note
Sierry Petes
Sing A Song of Sixpence(Why 4 & 20 Blackbirds Baked in a Pie?)
Skibbereen
Sleeping At the End of the Bed
Sloop John B
The Snows They Melt the Soonest
Soldier's Joy
Spancil Hill
Spanish Is The Loving Tongue
Spanish Ladies
Stagger Lee
Stand Up For Judas
Strawberry Roan - Sheepherders version? Correct title: Strawberry Roan - Outlaw Broncho
Streets of Laredo
Strike the Bell, Second Mate
Sweet Betsey From Pike

(T)

Take Her Out Of Pity
Take The Children and Run
Taladh Chriosta(Christ Child Lullaby)
Tell Me Ma
Tell Old Bill
There is a Tavern in the Town
This Land is My Land (Canadian Version)
Those Were The Days My Friend
Tie A Yellow Ribbon
Tom Dooley
Tom Dooley
Tom Dula/Dooley
Tom Dula/Dooley
Tom Dula/Dooley
Tom O' Bedlam
Town of Old Dolores
Trad British Isles' Songs
12 Days of Christmas

(U)

Unchained Melody

(V)

(W)

Wabash Cannonball (also defines term Hobo)
Wabash Cannonball (discussion of terms)
Wabash Cannonball (definition of terms)
Waly Waly
Waltzing Matilda / Craigielee
Waltzing Matilda / Bonnie Woods of Craigilea
(Original) Waltzing Matilda
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Water is Wide, and other tie-ins
Water is Wide - One more time
Wayfaring Stranger
Weary in Virginny, O; Lads of Virginia - History? Two different songs in same thread
Westering Home
Wexford Carol (Enniscorthy Christmas Carol) also known as "Good People All"
Whaler's Tale
When Christmas Morn is Dawning (words: När Juldagsmorgon Glimmar) (tune: Wir hatten gebauet)
When I First Went To Caledonia
When You and I Were Young(Maggie)
Where Have All The Flowers Gone
Whiskey In The Jar
Wild Colonial Boy
Wild Mountain Thyme
Wild Rover
Wildwood Flower (Includes original, I'll Twine 'Mid the Ringlets)
WILLIAM TAYLOR
Wimbeldon Fair
Wimoweh/Lion Sleeps Tonight(original)
Women o'Dundee
Women O'Dundee
The World is Old
Wreck of the Asia
Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Wreck of the Old '97

(X)

(Y)

Yankee Doodle
You Are My Sunshine

(Z)


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:15 AM

(ditto)


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:16 AM

(and, ditto)


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 May 02 - 07:40 PM

some new ones added...please report any broken links or mistakes in the Origins-Part THREE thread. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 31 May 02 - 10:51 AM

The links are working fine right now. Not sure why you're having problems.

This is the permathread itself. The other threads are where we bring them to Katlaughing to add to this one.


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 May 02 - 11:20 AM

Thanks, George.

Toadfrog, the links are working for me, too. They do go to threads which do not have the same name as the listing in the above; but, they are about those particular songs. Please let me know what kind of error you get, or what happens when you try to access them.

When we were setting this up, people wanted to preserve the record of who posted what additions for the above list, so we decided to keep them in the other threads. This one is deliberately kept short so that folks don't have a hard time loading it, as I do delete messages after a certain time. The other ones stay as they are, no deletions, as a permanent record as with threads in general.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 01:31 AM

Kat - Look at "Blackbird of Avondale".


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Aug 02 - 03:38 AM

Thanks, George, I've fixed it.


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 19 Jul 03 - 10:31 PM

New information on Anchors Aweigh added today!.


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 09:51 AM

Interesting stuff on the Old Polina/Balena


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 May 05 - 05:50 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 May 05 - 09:08 PM

Refresh indeed! New material has been added in new threads since Sep. 03.
Hard to re-find some of it since none of us has contributed since then.

Nothing added to Origins Part Three, 45657, since 05 Mar 03: Origins Part Three


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 07 - 04:37 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Jan 07 - 11:38 PM

I wish the Spirituals PermaThread had a TM too...... I didn;t know how to make one when I started it.......

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Song Origins PermaThread™
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 07 - 11:57 PM

Susan, I don't remember the code for it. In any case, I don't think I made it for this one. I know Max coined the term and started out with the TM, so it must've been him or Joe or Jeff who put it on. I'll bet they could amend yours to show it, too.

kat


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