Subject: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: GUEST,Guest Jimlad Date: 04 Jul 06 - 06:55 AM In my youth,before 1960, yes I know 1960 is a bloody long time ago,but I had a 45 rpm disc of the amazing Buffy Ste Marie's Universal Soldier. I do suffer "senior moments" these days but I recall a lyric along the lines of ".....condemned them at Verdun....." I cannot find it in DT lyrics can anyone help please ?. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Jul 06 - 06:58 AM There you go, I still sing this song, as it's still valid. Giok |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: stallion Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:04 AM Donovan ..... but without him how could hitler have condemned them at dachau, without him Ceaser would have stood alone, he's the one who gives his body as a weapon of the war and he knows that all this killing can't go on, he's the universal soldier....... |
Subject: Lyr Add: UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (Buffy Sainte-Marie) From: stallion Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:08 AM UNIVERSAL SOLDIER Written by Buffy-Sainte-Marie Recorded by Buffy Sainte-Marie on "It's My Way!" (1964)
He's five foot-two, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:15 AM Click the link in my post Stallion, you could have saved a bit of virtual ink mate. Giok |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:18 AM And somebody could have pointed out that it was written by Buffy Sainte-Marie, not Donovan. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: stallion Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:25 AM ok point taken, just that the words i have were as donovan sang them, reference to "Verdun" might have been in the original, I only know Donovans version. Oh the openintg post I think acknowledges this |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: stallion Date: 04 Jul 06 - 07:27 AM thanks giok but I don't understand those blue clicky things, its easy to cut and paste it from my own software song book |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Susan of DT Date: 04 Jul 06 - 09:03 AM And it is in the DT: Universal Soldier . |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Bob Bolton Date: 04 Jul 06 - 09:22 AM G'day Susan, Well it (at least) has made it into the DT ... but it's sans a stanza ... and mispells the religion term "Jain"! Regards, Bob |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: stallion Date: 04 Jul 06 - 10:57 AM Thank Heavens, thank heavans for little pedants for without them what would mudcat lyrics do ;o) ( I still have problems with colour and nieghbours! I just realised that that comment could be taken the wrong way, it actually refers to US and British spellings)) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Jul 06 - 11:03 AM The Donovan recording always sounded as if he sang "Labaule" rather than "Dachau", but I am not aware of any meaning to the word "Labaule". |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: dick greenhaus Date: 04 Jul 06 - 11:16 AM For the hawks, there's also "Universal Pacifist" in DigiTrad |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Geordie-Peorgie Date: 04 Jul 06 - 01:53 PM If ye get a chance te lissen te Buffy's rendition of her own song she clearly sings (a very gutteral) "Without him how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau" - Sounds like a very definite throat clearing 'ch' sound Donovan appears to sing 'Laballe' - Wherever that is! Gerruptivit |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: GUEST,DF Date: 04 Jul 06 - 02:29 PM I believe it is Lavalle. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: GUEST, Jimlad Date: 04 Jul 06 - 05:22 PM Pierre Laval(1883-1945) was thew head of the French Vichy government from April 1942 until the end of WW11 when he was executed by firing squad for being a collaborator with the Germans |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Snuffy Date: 04 Jul 06 - 06:47 PM I always thought Donovan was singing "Laval" but it didn't make much sense. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Susanne (skw) Date: 06 Jul 06 - 05:24 PM So did I, but it doesn't make any sense whatever, so when I learned it was 'Dachau' in the original I began to suspect a senior moment on Donovan's part ... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Susan of DT Date: 06 Jul 06 - 10:18 PM Bob - I first wrote that one down in the 1960s in my first song notebook. I was pretty ignorant then. And I don't remember ever hearing that Dachau verse. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: stallion Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:24 AM well what d'yer know, I got my copy from someone at university who swore they were taken from a Donovan vynyl, actually, I can't remember ever listening to donovan singing it, just my mate who gave me the words! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier From: Geordie-Peorgie Date: 07 Jul 06 - 09:02 AM Thanks for explaining about Laval! Aah'm still not sure why Hitler would have "condemned him AT Laval" according to Donovan - Unless his geography is as good as mine!! But who am aah, a bad speakin' geordie, to criticise grammar (or me Granma) Gerruptivit |
Subject: ADD: Universal Soldier (Buffy Sainte-Marie)^^^ From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Apr 17 - 04:39 AM I know we have a transcription of the song in the Digital Tradition, but I thought we ought to have one from Buffy herself. The lyrics page at Buffy Sainte-Marie's Website no longer works, so here at the lyrics from an an archive of her Website, http://www.creative-native.com/lyrics/univelyr.htm
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier (Buffy Sainte-Marie) From: GUEST Date: 21 Apr 17 - 06:42 AM "The Buffy Sainte-Marie Songbook", Grosset & Dunlap 1971 "Comments, Illustration and Design by Buffy Sainte-Marie Music Edited and Arranged by Peter Greenwood Piano Arrangements by John Marino" has some minor differences from the author's version Joe posted above - a weapon of the war - and some punctuation changes. There are lyrics, chords and piano arrangements to nearly sixty of her songs and discography (as of 1971) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier (Buffy Sainte-Marie) From: GUEST,henryp Date: 21 Apr 17 - 06:48 AM Buffy Sainte Marie also wrote a companion piece - Moratorium - released in 1971. Moratorium |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier (Buffy Sainte-Marie) From: Nigel Parsons Date: 21 Apr 17 - 06:49 AM I only ever heard the Donovan version. I hear it as 'lavalle' or something similar. The only other noticeable difference is in the last verse: His orders come from far away no more They come from him, and you, and me and brothers can't you see this is not the way we put an end to war. Which I remember hearing as: His orders come from far away no more They come from here and there, and you, and me and brothers can't you see this is not the way we put an end to war. Cheers Nigel |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Universal Soldier (Buffy Sainte-Marie) From: cetmst Date: 22 Apr 17 - 06:40 AM Yesterday's guest was me, cookie now reset. Is there a printed source for her music after 1971? I was fortunate to see her and talk to her at a concert in Maine a few years ago - Charles |
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