Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 06 Feb 01 - 02:07 PM 1768) IN SUMMERTIME ON BREDON -nwc file sent to joe 2031) THE LASS OF SWANSEA TOWN- nwc file sent to joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Date: 04 Feb 01 - 03:21 PM Posted in the tunes thread:
509)BROOMFIELD WAGER3-- 3 tunes found in DT for Child #43 |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 04 Feb 01 - 02:25 PM Thanks malcolm - I could have missed My johnny was a shoemaker the first time. it's possible. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Feb 01 - 12:13 PM I thought that I had already sent a midi for 2427) MY JOHNNY WAS A SHOEMAKER to Alan, but perhaps I didn't, after all. The DT text is taken from Steeleye Span's recording; they got it from Colm O'Lochlainn's Irish Street Ballads (Vol.II), and I've made a midi from the notation in that book. The version in question was noted from Alice Deady of Waterford; it's noticeable how much Gay Woods and Maddy Prior interfered with the rhythm when they recorded it, so I've also made a midi based on their re-phrasing of Alice Deady's set.
WILLIE O' WINSBURY This file already has a traditional tune attached to it, but the most widely-known melody used for the song nowadays (Pentangle, Gaughan etc.) was actually written by (I think) Andy Irvine -specifically for this set of words- in the 1960s; it was such a good piece of work that it was almost immediately assumed to be traditional. Midi made by ear; the phrasing is generic, as the arrangements I've heard of it differ.
FAREWELL FAREWELL Richard Thompson set his song to Irvine's tune, believing it to be traditional. Midi made by ear from Fairport's recording, with most of Sandy Denny's decorations omitted for the sake of clarity.
376) BLUE BLEEZING BLIND DRUNK As sung by Sheila Stewart of Blairgowrie; she learnt it from her mother, Belle, who in turn had it from "an old ploughman", probably in the early 1950s. It seems to acquire a different title every time it appears in print or on record; on the Stewarts of Blair (Lismor LIFL 7010 [1985], now available on CD) it's Mickey's Warning, while in Ailie Munro's The Folk Music Revival in Scotland it's When Mickey Comes Home I Get Battered. NOTE: The verses in the DT are not in the usual order. What appears to be a first verse is in fact the chorus, and should appear after verses 2 ("For when Mickey comes home") and 3 ("Oh but whisky I ne'er was a lover"). Midi made from the notation in the book, slightly modified to accommodate the DT text. Confusingly, I have given the tune for verse 1 and chorus together, though Sheila doesn't sing them together, because it would just be too complicated to have a note in the Midi pages explaining it all, until the DT entry is modified!
The tune for THE BEGGAR MAN (4) doesn't fit THE BEGGAR MAN (2) incidentally. I'm looking into it. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 02 Feb 01 - 04:22 PM 304) THE BEGGAR MAN (2)-see http://www.mudcat.org/!!-supersearch99.cfm?MaxHits=1&Command=search&NumLines=4&file=fall99&request=%5BTHE+BEGGAR+MAN+(4)%5D 2254) MAPLE ON THE HILL - NWC file sent to joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 02 Feb 01 - 08:53 AM files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Date: 01 Feb 01 - 10:14 PM Posted to the Post thread:
#120 ARBUTUS, CHILD 100 |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 01 Feb 01 - 05:04 PM 2407) MUSIC'S THE VERY BEST THING - NWC file sent to Joe 2556) OH GENEVIEVE - NWC file sent to Joe 2362) MOMMA'S SOUP SURPRISE - NWC file sent to JOe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 01 - 03:43 PM |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST Date: 01 Feb 01 - 03:20 PM |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:04 AM not in the list - but NWC file provided by animaterra forwarded to joe for "Round and Round the Earth is Turning" |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:00 AM 2802) POOR OLD SLAVE - see songfile oldjeff 2807) THE POTLATCH FAIR - nWC file sent to joe 947) DROP-KICK ME, JESUS, THROUGH THE GOALPOSTS OF LIFE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 31 Jan 01 - 12:17 PM got it! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Date: 31 Jan 01 - 12:13 PM Finally!! I just added MC# 56, Alison and Willie, Child 256 to the post tunes. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 30 Jan 01 - 06:17 PM refresh |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 30 Jan 01 - 01:21 PM 3022) ROW US OVER THE TIDE - see songfile ROWTIDE2 sent to joe 2811) THE PREACHER AND THE BEAR - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 30 Jan 01 - 09:12 AM 3047) SAINT LOUIS BLUES - nwc file sent to joe files updated. Thanks Malcolm! (Sorcha - I'll start at the "back" of the alphabet! *grin*) |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 30 Jan 01 - 08:59 AM 314) BENNACHIE (2) This text is taken from Gavin Greig's Songs of the Northwest, but the tune, "The Back of Bennachie" (previously called "The Hessian's March") is well-known in Aberdeenshire and doesn't seem to vary too greatly, so I've made a midi from the notation given in John Ord's Bothy Songs and Ballads (1930, reprinted 1995). The final note of line 4 is lengthened to take account of the omission at the beginning of line 5 of the usual "Oh". 313) BENNACHIE An incomplete variant of the above, transcribed from a record by the "Old Blind Dogs", and therefore without any information as to source. It may be assumed that the tune won't have varied much, so a cross-reference should suffice. NOTE: Some of the notes appended to the previous file actually relate to this one; particularly the correction of the writing of "dewey" instead of "dowie"! The original harvester missed this. The song is often called [Oh] Gin I Were Where Gadie (sometimes, "Gaudie") Rins (or "Runs"). Ord's text is in this thread: Gin I were where the Gaudie rins Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Date: 29 Jan 01 - 09:59 PM Sorcha has a bunch of tunes for Child Ballads; she doesn't even know all of which ones yet, but at least 14, and that is only thru the "B" titles.....will do when I have time. Now that MMario's "Bronson" is finished, maybe I can get started. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 29 Jan 01 - 09:37 PM Several birds killed with (almost) one stone: 2355) MO Ri GEAL DILEAS The DT text has become corrupted at some point (the title, for example, sholuld be MO RÙN GEAL, DÌLEAS); perhaps Dick is fixing it in the current update. There is no English translation given, though I put a link to one elsewhere, in this thread: My Fair and Rare One I've made a midi from the notation given in Alfred Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands; it's maybe a little faster than most people would sing it nowadays, but I give it as written. The tune for verse and chorus is the same. 365) THE BLEACHER LASSIE O' KELVIN HA' This is an expanded version of one of several sets in the Greig-Duncan Collection; in other cases I'd want to be off to the library to consult it for the exact tune, but it's not that old a song, though it's been widely popular in tradition in NE Scotland, and it has always been sung to the air of Mo Rùn Geal Dìleas. I have used the first midi as a base for it, then, and modified it only where required to fit it to the DT text. I have, however, doubled all note values as it's generally sung quite slowly. 366) THE BLEACHER LASSIE OF KELVINHAUGH (2) Another version of the above, from a record by Ewan MacColl. It can share the same midi and like it! 3702) WHEN FIRST I WENT TO CALEDONIA This too is sung to the same tune. I've modified the Kelvinhaugh midi with reference to a recording by Waterson/Carthy, who learnt it in Cape Breton where the song was made (and met a relative of the author, apparantly). Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 29 Jan 01 - 04:51 PM be fresh! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 29 Jan 01 - 09:17 AM Just a few useless and probably inaccurate statistics...the "search" started July 24rth, 2000 - since then we have posted, located in the forum or relocated in old threads about 1205 tunes. It's been 177 days, so that works out to over 6 tunes found per day! (6.8 plus actually!) Good work! dick probably hates me... |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 29 Jan 01 - 08:47 AM the following information via Snuffy: 1221) FRAE THE FRIENDS AND LAND I LOVE - present in download 1892) JOLLY MILLER - tune present in download version 2186) THE LOVELY BANKS OF BOYNE - tune present in download version 2632) OLD TEXAS (The Cowman's Lament)- tune present in download version 3746) WHO WILL CARE FOR MICKY NOW? - tune present in download version he also pointed out a duplicate I have removed from the missing tune list; and some that have no tunes in DT that I missed in compiling the list. I did not add them to the list as the whole thing will be revamped when the new version comes out. Am in the process of updating the lists with Malcolm's listings above. Updated files should be available later today. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 28 Jan 01 - 11:02 PM MANY thanks Malcolm - especially for catching those tunes I missed out on the midi site. BTW - DickG says the new release is very very close. When that happens the "lists" will undergo major revamping. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 28 Jan 01 - 10:53 PM Still listed as missing, these three have been on the Midi pages for some time now:
3739) WHITE FISHER
618) CHICKENS IN THE GARDEN ABC & Miditext posted by John here: Chickens in the Garden
I mentioned earlier that I was having trouble deciding which of heaven-knows-how-many variations of the tune for 85) ANAC CUAIN I should use; it turns out that there is a perfectly good ABC already in the Forum: Eanach Dhuin. Oh dear, all those alternate spellings...
1528) HIELAND LADDIE -This is the same tune as THE HIELAND LADDIE, which is at the midi pages.
I sent a midi for 704) COME UP AND SEE MY GARRET to Alan some time ago, but it seems to have slipped through the net, so I'll send it again. I don't have Ewan MacColl's tune, but made a midi of Jeannie Robertson's, which, if not the same, is certainly as authentic.
Some new midis (lyrics embedded as usual):
3860) YOUNG BANKER Text transcribed from a Watersons record. They got the song from the collection of Frank Kidson; I've made a midi from the tune as given in Kidson's MSS., published in the Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society (vol.III no.I, 1936). It's described as "noted by Charles Lolley", whereas the sleevenotes of Green Fields say that Kidson got the song from Mrs Kate Thompson of Knaresborough, so it may not be precisely the same set; it is at any rate from the same area, and very close given that the Watersons will have changed the tune and text a bit in the course of learning it. I've modified the note values in a couple of places to accommodate the text as given in the DT.
1956) KING JAMIE AND THE TINKLER Transcribed from a recording by John Kirkpatrick. The text is from Dixon's Ballads & Songs of the Peasantry in England, and is exactly the same as the text of The King and the Tinker, which illustrates once again the dangers of filing songs by title without cross-reference! Kirkpatrick used the tune given in the Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society (vol.III no.I, 1936), which is a traditional one found in Frank Kidson's manuscript collection, so I've made a midi from that. The tune given with the other file is quite different.
3266) STITCH IN TIME Written by Mike Waterson, with a tune by Martin Carthy adapted from On Board a Man of War. Midi made from the notation in The Sound of History, Roy Palmer, 1988. NOTE: the DT file credits neither writer, though it mentions that they have both recorded it (along with somebody called Max Hole...)
3583) WAE'S ME FOR PRINCE CHERLIE Transcribed from a record by Ewan MacColl (?) According to Wilma Paterson (Songs of Scotland, 1997) this was written by one William Glen, and set to the melody Ladie Cassiles Lilt, (Skene MS, 1615-20),which is a version of Johny Faa or the Gypsie Laddie. I've made a midi from the notation she gives with Johny Faa, which if I understand aright is actually the version from Johnson's Scots Musical Museum of 1788 (vol.II no.181) but which is so near as makes no difference. G.S. MacQuoid (Jacobite Songs and Ballads) gives a final verse not in the DT file:
But now the bird saw some redcoats,
MacColl's spelling "Cherlie" (it may have been the transcriber's, of course) looks like a typical attempt by a second generation emigrant to be ultra-Scottish, though perhaps I am being unfair.
348) BIRDS IN THE SPRING From the Copper family, who call it By The Green Grove. Midi made from the notation in Bob Copper's A Song For Every Season (1971).
I should repeat that 773) THE CUCKOO'S NEST is an Irish version that I do NOT have, though it's a marvellous piece of work. I fear that somebody else will have to take care of that one if it's to be given its proper melody. Having said that, it does look as if, with a little judicious manipulation, it might be fitted to the hornpipe version of the Cuckoo's Nest that turns up in Ireland (De Danaan once recorded the tune). I must give that some thought... |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 26 Jan 01 - 03:48 PM Please note: my "nags" are NOT for those of you who have been working on this - it's more trying to encourage OTHERS to try taking a hand with it. There is SO much that people can do...And it's work at your own pace. But if someone is working on something and others of us know it then we can avoid duplicated effort. I cannot thank enough those who have copied, converted, transcribed etc. Especially those of you who have downloaded and learned new software! It is especially helpful when people who actually know the songs help...that way I (or Joe, or Dick) am not left guessing how the lyrics fit the tune. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 26 Jan 01 - 03:19 PM *nag noted* MMario, please send me an updated list. I've had fun learning new songs. It always amazes me though, that when I see the songs you post, I don't remember seeing them on the list. Also, I found that it takes too much paper to print out the list! I'll PM you my email in case you forgot it. (How could you? *BG*) |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 26 Jan 01 - 03:07 PM 3424) THOSE WERE THE DAZE - NWC file sent to joe 3737) WHISTLE WHISTLE AULD WIFE - nwc file sent to joe
files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 26 Jan 01 - 10:08 AM 3846) YELLOW ON THE BROOM -NWC file sent to joe files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 25 Jan 01 - 01:33 PM 3781) WIND THAT SHAKES THE CORN - nwc sent file to Joe 1245) FULL FATHOM FIVE - NWC sent to Joe files updated. Available to anyone who wants to give it a go. just PM me an e-mail address or e-mail me at lpola@edutech.org - Note for those who can transcribe by ear - some sound files have been located and are in the list. - note for those who can't create abc's or midi's - if you can locate the music on the web and send location to me, that helps too. if you can locate the dots and scan and e-mail THAT - that helps. if you are willing to snailmail copies I can transcibe. it's the twenty-first century. let's do this thing! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 24 Jan 01 - 04:34 PM 2230) A MAID IN BEDLAM - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=5747#33165 how many to go? a depressing number. but finding them IS fun...and getting a tune "right" after chasing it down can be challenging. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Date: 13 Jan 01 - 03:28 AM How many more do we have to go? I know I have been falling down on my job lately. Mundane Life has interfered severely with my MudCat. Mario, send new list, please? I will e mail you, also. (I loved the list of "removed at publisher's request......) Like we can't find it again, huh? |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 10 Jan 01 - 05:48 PM 2968 ROCK SALT AND NAILS - Filename [ROCKSALT 3261 STARLIGHT ON THE RAILS - Filename [STARRAIL
Lyrics and JPEGs of tunes and chords found on Utah Phillips own website. JPEGs e-mailed to Dick Greenhaus.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 09 Jan 01 - 12:49 PM 1309) GIVE ME MY YELLOW HOSE - midi sent to alan; NWC file to Joe 2698) OVER THE RIVER AND THROUGH THE WOODS - nwc file sent to joe, midi to alan 807) THE DARKTOWN STRUTTER' BALL - found at Levy site; nwc sent to Joe; midi to Alan. 863) DIDN'T HE RAMBLE -found at levy site - NWC file sent to joe 1026) THE ERRANT APPRENTICE - nwc file sent to joe 1107) FATHER'S WHISKERS - midi sent to alan; NWC file sent to Joe 1478) HE RAMBLED - see Didn't he Ramble - songfile didrambl 1971) THE KNAVE - see songfile navenave filies updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 28 Dec 00 - 03:48 PM 2869) QUEEN OF THE SILVER DOLLAR -http://contexas.com/midis5.html -NWC file sent to JOe; midi to Alan 3039) SAILING, SAILING -http://personalweb.edge.net/~htutor/midi.html songfile slngslng NWCfile sent to JOe; midi to Alan. 3042) THE SAILOR LIKES HIS BOTTLE, OH - midi sent to Alan; NWC sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 22 Dec 00 - 11:27 AM 4) 50,000 NAMES - removed by request of publisher 34) AIN'T LEAVIN' YOUR LOVE - removed by request of publisher 79) AMERICAN PIE - removed by request of publisher 94) AND WHEN I DIE - removed by request of publisher 1167) FLOWER LADY - removed by request of publisher 1523) HEY, GOOD LOOKIN'-removed by request of publisher 1539) HIGHWAY CAFE - removed by request of publisher 2367) MONONGAHELA SAL - removed by request of publisher 3165) SITTING ON THE DOCK OF THE BAY - removed at the request of the publisher 3208) SOME DAYS ARE DIAMONDS- NWC file sent to Joe 3711) WHEN I WAS ON HORSEBACK (2)- midi forwarded to alan from JIB; NWC sent to Joe files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: John in Brisbane Date: 21 Dec 00 - 06:35 PM Seasons Greetings to all Mudcatters who have worked so hard to keep thia ctivity so vibrant. Best wishes, John |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 21 Dec 00 - 03:16 PM 3483) TOO OLD TO CUT THE MUSTARD -NWC sent to joe 3503) THE TROOPER CUT DOWN IN HIS PRIME - NWC file sent to Joe; Midi sent to Alan 3525) TURN YOUR RADIO ON - NWC file sent to Joe - midi with harmony to Alan 3550) UNCLE NED - midi from john in brisbane sent to Alan, NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 21 Dec 00 - 03:15 PM 3483) TOO OLD TO CUT THE MUSTARD -NWC sent to joe 3503) THE TROOPER CUT DOWN IN HIS PRIME - NWC file sent to Joe; Midi sent to Alan 3525) TURN YOUR RADIO ON - NWC file sent to Joe - midi with harmony to Alan 3550) UNCLE NED - midi from john in brisbane sent to Alan, NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 18 Dec 00 - 09:13 AM file updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 16 Dec 00 - 03:15 PM 590 CARRION CROW (2)
MIDI file: CARCROW2.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 200 (300000 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X: 184 |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Alan of Australia Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:51 PM G'day, The following tunes are now available at the Mudcat MIDI site.
Ballin' The Jack
Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 14 Dec 00 - 02:03 PM 2761) PIG AND THE INEBRIATE - NWC file sent to joe suitable for all three versions in DT. MIDI sent to Alan 2762) PIG AND THE INEBRIATE 2 (long version)-ditto 2761 2763) PIG AND THE INEBRIATE 3 - ditto 2761 760) CROSSED OLD JORDAN'S STREAM - nwc file sent to joe;midi sent to alan files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 13 Dec 00 - 02:04 PM 3526) TURN, TURN, TURN or TO EVERYTHING THERE IS A SEASON - midi sent to alan, NWC to JOe 3726) WHEN THE STARS BEGIN TO FALL - nwc to joe; midi sent to alan w/harmony files updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 12 Dec 00 - 09:49 AM file updated |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 09 Dec 00 - 07:12 PM 1930 KEEP YOR FEET STILL GEORDIE HINNEY - abc & miditext posted to Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 04 Dec 00 - 09:37 AM files updated. |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 03 Dec 00 - 07:16 PM yes!!!!! more tunes and Wassail tunes at that! yeepee! |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy Date: 03 Dec 00 - 10:12 AM I have posted ABCs of the following Kipper Family songs to Tune Add: Kipper Family (+ Lyr corr), and also sent midis to Alan of Oz. 920 DOVER STRAND 1035 EVERY MAN 1062 FALL DEE RAY 2931 RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE 3074 SATISFY ME 3242 SOUTHRUPS WASSAIL SONG 3512 THE TRUNCH WASSAIL SONG Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Date: 01 Dec 00 - 01:56 PM 865) DIE GUTE KAMERAD- MIDI FOUND BY WOLFGANG - sent to Alan dec 1/00; nwc to dickg 1036) EVERY STAR SHALL SING A CAROL - removed from DT at publishers request 1092) FAREWELL TO FUNERY - midi found by Wolfgang sent to Alan, NWC to Dickg. Dec 1/00 2213) MACCRIMMON'S LAMENT - nwc file sent to dick g from mid found by wolfgang. files updated to reflect above plus other sites wolfgang found I cannot get to - or sites of audio clips where those capable could transcribe by ear. |
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