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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Snuffy Date: 08 Oct 01 - 09:49 AM In Liverpool, youse is the accepted plural of you. When a teacher says to a kid "Stand up, Hughes", the whole class gets to their feet. They could of misunderstood, of coarse. WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: SharonA Date: 08 Oct 01 - 09:41 AM In addition to the "arghhhs" listed above (in with which I chime): "nucular" instead of the proper "nuclear" "it's" instead of "its" (the snake DOES NOT shed IT'S skin) "chomping at the bit" instead of the proper "champing..." And the one that REALLY annoys me: "ax" instead of the proper "ask"!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: KitKat Date: 08 Oct 01 - 08:42 AM I hate 'off-of' instead of 'off' - oh yes - and people 'laying on the bed' instead of lying on it. It always makes me want to ask them if they laid a good clutch. Kit Kat
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Oct 01 - 03:01 AM Then there are those people who say "fecking" and "shite" all the time, when you know that's not what they mean to say at all. These same people use the word "git" far too frequently, usually in the phrase "stupid git". - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 08 Oct 01 - 02:09 AM People who list things by saying 'A, it's not there and secondly.... AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Crazy Eddie Date: 08 Oct 01 - 01:08 AM As a wannabe pedant, I need to know which of the following is correct. Please help. A is different from B A is different to B A is different than B Other Favourites : "Stationary Cupboard" What, you expected it to MOVE? "They're coats are over their with there hats" Also, your/you're/you'r/youre.
Adjectival forms used instead of adverbial forms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Genie Date: 08 Oct 01 - 12:08 AM Yeah, Jim, I've seen the brand, but I'm referring to signs about generic products. I'd guess that the brand name was born of the common error. Re: hardware stores, is it "furring strips" or "firring strips?" I've seen it printed both ways on store signs. Where does that term come from, anyway? Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Jim Dixon Date: 07 Oct 01 - 11:23 PM Genie: There is a brand of duct tape called Duck Tape. So if it's capitalized, that might have been what they were referring to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Oct 01 - 10:32 PM I have to point out that Bob Dylan did more to mangle the language than probably anyone else in the songwriting field...because he was trying to emulate Woody Guthrie, and various old time blues singers, and so on. He knew good English, but frequently chose not to use it. And yet us pedants love Bob! (Well, I do anyway...) This is weird. It just goes to show that Dylan is, as usual, allowed to do whatever he pleases, regardless of the usual rules. It's the DYLAN EXEMPTION...one of the things that makes him so fascinating to people like me. :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Genie Date: 07 Oct 01 - 10:23 PM Here are a few of my pet peeves among language errors: " ...between ten to 15 minutes..." "up to 50% -- and more!"
Yuppies using "i.e." (usually pronounces, "aieeee") when they really mean "e.g.," because they don't know what either term means and are too pretentious to say "for example," or "such as." E.g., I've seen potluck announcements that say something like, "Bring a dessert, i.e. cookies." (What? No pies allowed?)
Yeah, DMcG, someone might earn 110% of my income, and I might spend 110% of my income (by borrowing), but you can't give more than 100% of yourself to a job, relationship, etc. You can't keep your eyes on the road 110% of the time!
AllanC., a friend threatened to "revoke my poetic license" because I complained about Woody Guthrie's having written "...laid it on to she and me..." and about that type of grammatical error in many country/western and popular songs.
Banjer, have you seen the hardware stores that advertise "duck tape?"
When did people start saying "purposely" instead of "purposefully? We don't say "aimly" or "thoughtly" or "prayerly" or "hopely."
Then there's "normalcy." DON'T GET ME STARTED...
How about "jive" instead of "jibe."
Speaking of funny things we often say, the brilliant Steve Allen used to say "Needless to say..." and leave it at that!
Pavane, I'll accept "phenomenons," and "arenas," and "forums," but I gag when I hear about "a phenomena."
Dicho, I, too think there are places where the vernacular should be colorful. And language does evolve. I am not going to say, "Woe is I," or sing "I've Got To Be I." Nor do I think blues would sound right without using phrases like "I ain't had not lovin'." But since songs are no longer expected to rhyme, if a language error is NOT a regionalism or dialect and does not enhance the poetry, I find it really irritating when bad grammar shows up in songs just because of ignorance. [E.g., there's a c/w song that says, "...till death do we part..." and another that says something about giving thanks "to he who made the stars." It's like chalk on the blackboard to me! Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Oct 01 - 08:21 PM Lots of confusion here. Why equate the vulgar vernacular with correct, formal English? (WYSIWYG- The song you are searching for is Geawge Warshington warshes his clos- or his hans in a variant version). I agree that newscasters and newspaper writers should speak and write proper English (or American, as the case might be), but why shouldn't we add color to our language when speaking informally? The vernacular also helps to denote our home ground. Where do people say Alabamer (two answers, one for England, one for the United States). I am going to home? I'm fixin' to go to town? I be ready to go? Etc. Moreover, what was wrong when I was a child (see "Anglicised" plurals) seems to be gaining currency today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: pavane Date: 07 Oct 01 - 06:03 PM If you are speaking English, it is proper to form regular English plurals - even of imported words. No need for Radii, radiuses will suffice. Form the Latin plural if you are speaking Latin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Mr Red Date: 07 Oct 01 - 05:50 PM datums, gymnasiums, symposiums, referendums, operas (yes operas AND opuses). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Oct 01 - 05:17 PM Ebbie - I think he means it's hands off George W. Bush at the moment, as in no making fun of the commander-in-chief in time of war. Either that, or he's talking about borscht. :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Ebbie Date: 07 Oct 01 - 04:23 PM A local store has signs above the clothing aisles: Ladies', Boy's, Children's, etc. I once even saw a sign that read Mens'. I would prefer to respond with laughter but it irritates me. One of my peeves is a small one, I grant you: "I would like to thank..." Why not do it? Just say, My thanks to..." Eb |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Ebbie Date: 07 Oct 01 - 03:59 PM "The B word is not to be sullied under threat of extreme predjudice." Boy howdy, am I out of it- What does that mean, Donuel? Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Donuel Date: 07 Oct 01 - 03:17 PM The B word is not to be sullied under threat of extreme predjudice. Even the TV show Politically Incorrect has been banned from all affiliates in the Washington DC area. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Oct 01 - 02:55 PM Then there's mispronunciation of names. Back in the famous Canada-Russia hockey series in 1972, the Russians had a star forward named Valeri Karlamov (I hope I spelled it right...well, Russian employs a somewhat different alphabet anyway...maybe should be an "h" in there somewhere). Most of the Canadian announcers couldn't handle "Karlamov" for some reason and insisted on reversing the letters and pronouncing at "Karmaloff", like "marmalade". Gad! What idiots they made of themselves. Despite the almost universal mispronunciation of the man's name, he earned the grudging respect and outright admiration of the frustrated Canadians, as he had an uncanny ability to both skate and put the puck in the net. So uncanny, that I believe the Canucks arranged to injure him and get him off the ice. Dirty pool! Not that the Russians didn't do some dirty play themselves...quite a bit of it. Now why has G.W.B. not shown up on this thread? Oh yeah, there's a war on... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Wyrd Sister Date: 07 Oct 01 - 02:20 PM "Different to"? Does that mean we have to have "similar from"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Noreen Date: 07 Oct 01 - 01:47 PM Another teeth-grinder that seems to bother no-one else: a local taxi firm has big printed signs on all their cars advertising the phone number for Advanced bookings. I'm still trying to work that one out... I'm obviously not advanced enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 01:40 PM It occurred to me, after hastily writing what ALiUK took as chastisement, that "smurfs" and "valley girls" may be unknown creatures in the UK. At least with the resource of Mudcat we can learn enough to know we understand little! No apology needed, no harm, no foul? *G* ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Bill D Date: 07 Oct 01 - 01:19 PM ..unfortunately, disdain for correct grammar seems to be 'in', whereas it once was mostly due to poor education and just plain 'dumbness'....There are many causes, but since so many managers and 'educators' are unable to write & speak clearly & correctly, it is hard to mount a movement to correct the problem. (I should have "beed disruptly in MY chiles classes" a bit more I suppose) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Bat Goddess Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:51 PM Sigh. And one of the biggest disappointments so far in my life was finding a type in a headline (yes, one of those apostrophe s things) on the front page of the New York Times -- below the fold, but nonetheless very disappointing. Sigh. (In some circles I'm a type goddess.) Bat Goddess |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: AliUK Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:15 PM Susan, suitably chastized. A thousand apologies...or is that apologii? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Peg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 11:40 AM anyways...grrr in writing: "suppose to" instead of "supposed to"...grrr... or "supposively" instead of "supposedly"...grrr or "cut and dry" instead of "cut and dried"...grrr... BayBanks (when it was called BayBank; the bank was bought out and does not exist anymore but it used to make me go grrrrr when people added an S)...grrr As a film critic I notice when people get film titles wrong: like "sex, lies and videotapes"...grrr people also used to pronounce the film "Cinema Paradiso" as if it were "Cinema Paradisio"...grrr or "Mississippi Marsala" instead of the proper "Mississippi Masala"...grrr or when I used to work at a little art house theatre in grad school, people though they were cool when asking for tickets by saying the first word of the title...like "Wild" for "Wild at Heart"...or "Life" instead of "Life is Sweet"...grrr...I would pretend I did not know what they were talking about...heh heh heh...
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Jim Dixon Date: 07 Oct 01 - 11:39 AM Little Hawk: The syndrome you describe in your first post must be a regional thing. I don't hear it here in Minnesota. Here, the plural form of "you" is "you guys." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 10:34 AM AliUK, that was not the intent at all. I was just showing what one of the links I found, that translates things into different dialects, would do to a thread list. I think it's very strange how often Mudcatters make assumptions about others' motives in posts. ~Susan
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: AliUK Date: 07 Oct 01 - 10:32 AM WISIWYG: GAS! GAS! was actually a quote from the poem that is contained in the thread. The use of the exclamation mark in cases of speech is not wrong, infact it is what it was invented fro. Perhaps you should look at the context before making joke of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Banjer Date: 07 Oct 01 - 09:05 AM It irritates me when otherwise educated people, in responsible positions, misuse the language. Many times in advertising for hardware products that we receive at our shop I am amzed at the copy writers that don't know the difference between a coarse thread and a course thread. A recent sign in the grocery store where my wife works told the employees to put the carts they brought in into 'Two row's of cart's only'. Is it any wonder young people can't learn proper usage and spelling when people in the public eye continue to set bad examples? I'll never forget walking of the office of the Dean of Boys at my son's school many years ago. This educator had just said, "Your chile bees disruptly in his classes" My thought was that if my child had no better teachers that this Administrator it was time for me to become 'disruptly'. Unfortunately my complaints to our local school board fell on deaf ears. That is why Florida is ranked 48th (out of 50 states) in the quality of education. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Donuel Date: 07 Oct 01 - 08:48 AM When octopi make love it is a many tentacled thing. Each of their "arms" have their own nerve center/brain and most likely have their own alias'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Allan C. Date: 07 Oct 01 - 07:36 AM In reference to "We's" ("We's are goin' downtown!") I agree that this is totally wrong. "We's" is clearly a contraction for "We is". Thus, folling it with an additional (plural) verb is just not right. I have taken the liberty of correcting one other glaring error. The sentence should properly read: "We's a-goin' downtown!" For some reason this all reminds me of a prep order I once received when I was a hospital orderly. Some fine, young nurse from the backwoods had written instructions for preparing a man for testicular surgery. The order, as she wrote it, said: "Please shave Mr. _______ 's growin area." (She spelled it exactly as she pronounced it!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: DMcG Date: 07 Oct 01 - 07:03 AM That should have been 'media and management' of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: DMcG Date: 07 Oct 01 - 07:01 AM Off thread, but a great media and media favourite: percentage inflation We used to have to give 100% of our effort or comitment to things, but it then drifted up to 110%, and I've been hearing 200% quite a bit lately My other main complaint in spelling on official notices (not it typing emails, you understand!). The biggest supermarket near where I live has had a spelling mistake in the notice over the aisles listing the products for over three years now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 07 Oct 01 - 06:41 AM How about compared to/with. It drives me up the wall. And who rattled WYS' cage, is she still taking the medication? Made no sense to me at all! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Oct 01 - 05:38 AM I'm afraid that the common misuse of English that annoys me is the adding of an "s" on the end of words like stadium and forum etc.. The best spoken English in a radio interview that I have heard recently, was from a Finnish politician being interviewed on BBC Radio 4. Jock |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: gnu Date: 07 Oct 01 - 05:36 AM PLEEEEASE don't say to me that you are going to, "... try AND do something." It is, "... try TO do something." If you ARE going to do something, why would you say you are going to TRY ? This is so pervasive that I have had to try and ignore it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: pavane Date: 07 Oct 01 - 05:18 AM Just thought that I'd point out 'You' is already plural. The second person singular is 'Thou'.
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 01:02 AM Yes, Bert, I definitely agree. More than ten, tho. Come and get it. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Genie Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:46 AM OK, Bert, Some praise is due you, too! About 10 pound of it, maybe. Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Mark Cohen Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:42 AM Hey, in Pittsburgh they say "youns", which sort of rhymes with the German word "uns" only with a Z sound at the end. And I don't think they say it anywhere else but in Pittsburgh...which is one reason I'm glad to be from Philadelphia (home of the four-part vowels). Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:35 AM Hahahahahhhhhhhhhhhh............ Create a Smurfily smurfily new Thread (start a smurfily new topic) Mudcat Frequently Smurfed Questions - Newcomer's Guide Mudcat Smurf Map and PermaThread Index What's On! (Who is smurfily Performing Where) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:33 AM Uh oh! Time for these again?!?!? OY! Or my new favorite, LOL!, where with a little thought you can get things like this: What's On! Like, oh my gawd! (Who is totally Performing Where) BS: Improper letter S endings! Like, oh my gawd! Arghhh! Help: SanDiego Jams Anyway... Song Circles, Open Mics BS: GAS! Like, oh my gawd! GAS! Lyr Req: Gawd Save George Washington Muirshin or Molly Durkin? Like, I am so sure! which came 1st |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Bert Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:27 AM "praise," is due! Wow, does WYSI know yet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Clifton53 Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:24 AM How about the opposite, ex, " He gave me fifteen-cent in change". Or, " I bought six-pound of steak" Clifton |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:22 AM Buncha damn language aficiondos. Off the beaten tract completely. That is, hearabouts. Huh, I cracked myself up! ~S~
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: Genie Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:18 AM It's the fault of the medias--phenomenon like this can be blamed on their use of the wrong criterias for spelling. They don't even know that "kudos", like "pathos" or "ethos," is not a plural. ("Kudos," like "praise," is due ... .) And they said it was a waste of time to know anything about Latin and Greek! Yeah, Whistle and Hawk, I really detest the trend to reverse grammatical and spelling rules. "Him and me went downtown and ran into the man who owes money to he and I... ." "Its too bad I cant think of other example's and illustration's." Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: katlaughing Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:18 AM gawds and gawddesses, we'uns er alls startin' ta sounds likes Cletus and them Reg boyz! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:15 AM It useta was anyhow. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: katlaughing Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:14 AM Just sose youse knows, I nevers meant ta causes ya's'll innys trubbles at alls! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper letter S endings! Arghhh! From: DonMeixner Date: 07 Oct 01 - 12:11 AM Likes when your driving down the road and theres a sign that says, "No Turn Arounds" when you knows all too well it should be "No Turns Around" ? Don |