Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,Joe Date: 08 Jul 08 - 09:11 AM I read that the festival will go ahead next year in the same format. Hurrah! I just hope the weather wont be there next year in the same format... (booo!) |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Graham and Jo Date: 28 Jun 08 - 04:34 AM A link to the forum is in (Wildboy's) second post on this thread. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Graham and Jo Date: 28 Jun 08 - 04:31 AM You can register on the Beverley Folk festival forum and that will probably get you on the contact list. We think that dilution of the 'folk' focus is a danger too. It's not that we have a thing against school bands and wanabee pop groups doing some thing of their own in the background (as long as it doesn't interfere with the folk festival). It was the statements by one of the festival directors about folk music and folk festivals that we didn't like. He had no interest in folk at all. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Jane of 'ull Date: 27 Jun 08 - 04:24 PM Well I hope Beverley doesnt change. I went this year for the first time in ages and really enjoyed it. I hope it doesnt go too far in inviting other musical styles in, I think the opening concerts this year and last year didnt go with the festival.. I'm not sure about world music either at the festival..ok maybe the levellers and some folk rock but I think that should be the limit. dont get me wrong I'm into lots of different music not just folk, but i think trying to please evreyone can result in a 'one size fits nobody' situation. I'm not a fusty old purist either, I'm 37 and been into folk music for nearly 20 years. I just dont like this dilution that seems to be happening more and more nowadays, for various reasons. I'd like to have come to the 'future of beverley festival' meeting recently but couldnt make it, would be interested though if anyone can keep me informed of any future meetings like this? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Graham and Jo Date: 27 Jun 08 - 04:25 AM Oombanjo – Joe knows about the year round fringe. He has been along to much of it. I think I know what he means. During the festival, if you leave the leisure centre site and walk into town its like there is a big party going on, and a big celebration of everything 'folk'. It gets us all together at the same time. We get to share tunes etc with more people. Local non folkies understand a bit more of what folk is about. It makes traditional stuff more exciting to the younger local folkies and keeps them interested. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: theleveller Date: 26 Jun 08 - 10:10 AM Obviously, cost plays a big part in the success or failure of festivals. I've already put here some of the comments I received from Chris Wade after last year's (2007) festival. Here are some more: "Over the 25 years of running the festival there has been the need to make many changes due to various pressures imposed on us - loss of venues; increasing costs - Artists fees; venue hire costs, increasing pressure imposed by the ever expanding H & S issues, Insurance; License fees; plus the costs of extra marketing due to greater competition from other events etc. When the festival was first staged, we were the only festival on our weekend - now there are 2 other major festivals - both with similar artistic programmes. No doubt numerous smaller festivals exist that I do not know about. Also - this year we had increasing competition from another festival that took place on Beverley Racecourse on the Saturday of our festival. This, whilst possibly catering for a different audience, competed with us for media coverage. So you can see that life never gets easier - and this year has probably been the hardest yet in terms of the organizing of the event. It has been totally exhausting for all concerned. Up until 2 weeks ago, ticket sales were low and a great deal of extra effort took place to build up to the figures we eventually reached. We only have one paid administrator (this year - Cally Barker) and the rest we rely on voluntary help - so there is a massive amount of work and co-ordination that goes on. The ultimate aim is to produce a festival that is successful in terms of an event for our audiences, but also to break even financially (as we cannot afford to subsidise it ourselves), and if possible to ideally earn sufficient money to put back a little as a reserve for future festivals." Out of interest, I've just done a quick comparison of what various local festivals would cost us (2 adults, 1 child, plus camping): Pickering (top name acts plus a wide variety of other excellent performers on greenfield site) - £150. Beverley (top name folk acts, excellent range of performers but no big names outside the folk world) - £180. Saltburn (good range of 'folkies' but not top names) - £132 Well, yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice of what you think is good value. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: theleveller Date: 26 Jun 08 - 09:32 AM Just making a general point, Joe. As I've already said, I want Beverley to stay the way it is. I think the local council and ERCC should be more even more supportive than they are. I don't mind some of my council tax going on the festival - they waste pelnty on other things. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,Joe Date: 26 Jun 08 - 09:06 AM "One last point: let's be careful about being too 'protectionist' about the festivals we love - change isn't always a bad thing and it may be needed to keep festivals alive. And some organisers need to put a lot more thought into the way they publicise their festivals (but, hey, as someone who's in the business, I would say that!). " But there is change and there is change. If the festival is fine as it is, let it evolve, but from what I hear, one of the Directors wishes the festival to move somewhere else, and to become pop/rock orientated (losing the 'folk'tag altogether). |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: theleveller Date: 26 Jun 08 - 08:54 AM Thanks for that Betsy - I like both the big stage events and also the more 'parochial' stuff such as Ryedale - and the folk clubs where I've played over the years. I'll say it once again - right or wrong, that's my impression of Saltburn. It's up to the organisers to change that impression if it's wrong. Yes, I know Wendy shone at Saltburn; we enjoyed her performance at Ryedale and at KFFC last weekend where we (Whipstaff) were delighted to have her join us in one of our songs - helping us fight against the wind and rain that tried to drown us out. We're also looking forward to seeing her at Pickering FF in August. Beverley is one of the festivals I think has got the right mix (and I've told Chris Wade so, in the past) - the big stage, the mix of styles, the smaller stage events, the fringe and lots and lots of old mates to chew the fat with. Personally, I'd like to keep Beverley just as it is. Maybe I'll make it to Saltburn one year to see for myself - with so many festivals around now, there really is something for everyone. Let's just hope they can all keep going. One last point: let's be careful about being too 'protectionist' about the festivals we love - change isn't always a bad thing and it may be needed to keep festivals alive. And some organisers need to put a lot more thought into the way they publicise their festivals (but, hey, as someone who's in the business, I would say that!). |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,betsy at work Date: 26 Jun 08 - 08:35 AM Hi Leveller, I'm repeating myself from a distant thread....but ....Nutty ran a Workshop at Saltburn. Finger in the ear stuff ?? Not quite. It was " Accessing folk music via the internet" with more half a dozen pc's set-up for individual "tuition". She was as busy as hell and I know for certain that introductions to Mudcat were high on her list. I think it might be a case of some people like the big occasion / stage thing , whereas some of us are a bit more paroachial / want to join in / put some time aside to talk to old friends.Last year at Saltburn, Wendy Arrowsmith got a chance to shine , and shine she did, but I feel she would have had less of a chance at the bigger events , but Vive la difference. Cheers Betsy |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: theleveller Date: 26 Jun 08 - 07:48 AM "I wonder if you young folks will be so loyal." Nutty, why do you get the impression that I'm a youngster. I've been 'supporting' folk music for almost 45 years and, at 59, can hardly be described as 'young'. But, yes, I do have an 8-year old daughter who I have to consider when deciding which festivals to go to and Beverley has always been a favourite (although we had previous commitments this year), especially as I was born in Beverley and live about 45 minutes drive away . I did say it was just my impression of Saltburn - so that's probably the fault of the festival for not promoting a more positive image, not mine for having that impression. Ryedale Folk Weekend had a fantastic selection of artistes, plus a brilliant atmosphere - pity more people didn't support it. Did you? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: nutty Date: 26 Jun 08 - 06:51 AM Leveller................... Had Saltburn Festival((and Redcar before it) catered only for the "Finger in the Ear Brigade" it would not have been running for at least 25 years. Remember all 'old' folkies once had small children yet we still managed to support folk music within the community. I wonder if you young folks will be so loyal. Probably not ,,, hence the debate as to whether Beverley Folk Festival will remain in Beverley or move to somewhere where the organisers can make more money |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: theleveller Date: 26 Jun 08 - 06:22 AM Sandsend? Whoops, meant Saltburn (both lovely places). |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: theleveller Date: 26 Jun 08 - 05:59 AM I agree with a lot of what you say, Ray, but I do think there are rock bands who could broaden the horizons of folk festivals. I cited New Model Army earlier. They are a rockband and fans do wave their arms about, but Justin Sullivan's lyrics are certainly not meaningless drivel. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are far more thoughtful, powerful, poetical and relevant than a lot of folk songs. Can't we like a wide spectrum of music and have this reflected in the festivals we go to? For instance, I'm going to the new Pickering Festival because I like the line-up and the fact that it is all on one site - ideal if you have young children, rather than Sandsend, which is spread out and which I have the (probably wrong) perception of being more for the 'finger in the ear' old brigade. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,Betsy at work Date: 26 Jun 08 - 05:06 AM Hiya Padge, You're talking complete Yorkshire sense as usual. I say that, because I don't like Green field site Festivals either. I would like to think a village, town or city benefits in kind by the use of its amenities by interlopers and that the interlopers see a side of the town, which one normally wouldn't. In this case, although you go for the Beverley Festival, surely you must also visit the Minster and its other churches, or eating houses, or purchasing food from the shops. It puts money into a local economy, not to mention the benefit to publicans who seem to be going through a well-documented hard time these days. Apparently these boozers in Beverley have developed into a hot bed of music sessions, mostly as a by-product of the festival(s), so, the label "folk music" may not necessarily be as bad as it first sounded to Landlords, especially as it appears as it might be another useful source of income for them. Sounds like everyone is a winner – I know GedPipes loves it there. Cheers Betsy |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: r.padgett Date: 26 Jun 08 - 04:18 AM Folk song and its future lies in the very strength of the folk clubs as reflected in the regular sessions of music and song at beverley throughout the year Whilst larger festivals give money to the professional artists, who seem to be becoming younger! they add the icing on the cake as well as attracting larger more "uninformed" audiences, the folk clubs are folk singers bread and butter for all their ills I for one do not like Green field sites as they cost "dead money" in tents and a whole host of extras such as toilets and lots more stewarding They are at the mercy of the weather Folk festivals should NOT be rock festivals with people standing waving their arms ~ well ok they might get that way, but they should not as the songs are totally different, not meaning less drivel!! Ray |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: theleveller Date: 25 Jun 08 - 11:57 AM Big attraction for me last year was New Model Army; I know some folkies didn't like it but the room was packed. I didn't go this year and one reason was that the line-up wasn't as attractive to me as before. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: oombanjo Date: 25 Jun 08 - 11:51 AM Hi Joe, take my word for what its worth, you are wrong on number one. the fringe in Beverley goes on 52 weeks a year on 5 or 6 nights a week we have live fringe music in various venues |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,Joe Date: 25 Jun 08 - 09:05 AM A few points, in my opinion, if the folk festival moved into pop / rock: 1) The fringe would disappear - it seems like the fringe and the festival have a symbiotic relationship. Without the fringe, there is less to offer to punters, therefore less punters. (I use 'punters' because money is probably the main factor) 2) For the size / potential revenue / cost etc, only small-time rock / pop acts would be available in comparison to Folk, where for the same money, big name folk acts can be brought in. Who wants to see small time bands when you can see bigger/better bands at Leeds etc? 3) Other smaller rock / pop festivals have been extremely unsuccessful 4) The folk festival has been a folk festival for 25 years, surely small adaptations can make this continue, big changes would just kill the whole thing off! YOu would lose the regulars etc. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: danensis Date: 25 Jun 08 - 08:26 AM Unfortunately, I remember Burnley Folk Festival going the same way. It was a great festival until they decided to "diversify". |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: The DeanMeister Date: 25 Jun 08 - 04:19 AM Hey, I'm a reformed character, KV... ;o) The Eagles? Aerosmith, anyone? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Kampervan Date: 24 Jun 08 - 04:17 PM Sorry, senility setting in. Please amend spelling in posting above to DeanMeister & believe Apologies K/van |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Kampervan Date: 24 Jun 08 - 04:15 PM Deanmeister I cannot beleive that you let any sort of weed pass by, tumbling or not! K/van |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Hand-Pulled Boy Date: 24 Jun 08 - 12:29 PM As th opening concert is not folk music then I would suggest Pink Floyd, Eric Clapton, ZZ Top, Muse, Yes, Nic Cave and the Bad Seeds, Bjork, Foo Fighters.....................................etc..... |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST Date: 24 Jun 08 - 11:30 AM Anyone any thoughts on any of the acts? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: The DeanMeister Date: 24 Jun 08 - 10:20 AM Was that tumbleweed passing by....? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: nutty Date: 24 Jun 08 - 07:50 AM So --- does anybody know what's going to happen next year?? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,MC Fat (at work) Date: 24 Jun 08 - 06:30 AM Had a belting time. Great to see Paul and Viccky (Kampervan and Big Bird) plus Steve ,the Deimeister, little Legs Padgett, Bernard Warner, Richard Wastling (looking well )and all. The sessions were belting but the craic was even better. For various reasons I haven't been there the last two years but I now know what I was missing. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Kampervan Date: 23 Jun 08 - 11:50 AM Just struggled back to Kent after yet another fantastic Beverley weekend that leaves me wondering why the whole world doesn't live in Yorkshire.(And since I chiefly come from Grimsby that takes some admitting). We missed last year, but this one certainly made up for it. Great to see Ray and Jim and Steve.....and, well everybody who made the sessions so fantastic. Thank you to everyone for putting it all together. I know it's a lot of hard work, and we just swan up and enjoy it, but we do appreciate it. Great food tent too. I don't know how those guys worked the hours they did; they were still cooking breakfast when we left, after 10am on Monday. Finally, a personal message to Messrs Tony Benn and Roy Bailey. Long may you carry on your crusade. I don't think I've ever before heard so much truth and common(?)sense crammed into such a short space of time. Hopefully see you all next year. Best wishes K/van and Big bird |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,buspassed Date: 23 Jun 08 - 10:26 AM Couldn't believe it on Saturday night when the smoke alarm went off at the end of the Simpson/Cutting set, the reason given fom the stage that it might be the smoke generator! What are tech rehearsals for? Could be the checking the level of smoke against the sensitivity of detection not be included? Having got that whinge out the way let me say it was a grand concert, Mike Waterson,in fine voice, singing those wonderful 'Hull' songs of his as only he can had this Hull exile reaching for the hanky. I think the highspot though was Eliza & Saul creating communal goosebumps with their performance of 'I Wish All the Wars were over'. Real magic! |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,Joe Date: 23 Jun 08 - 09:57 AM I managed to slice my finger open on the Sunday so no playing for me - a blessing to everyone else? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Graham and Jo Date: 23 Jun 08 - 09:55 AM Tired out after a fantastic weekend Loved the ukeleles. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: r.padgett Date: 23 Jun 08 - 09:51 AM I made it for an hour or two in the Sun with Jimmy and "Campervan" Paul and Berni Warner ~ on Sunday thanks for the sing! and all others who took part Not been for a few years Ray |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: ThreeSheds Date: 23 Jun 08 - 09:02 AM Perhaps the thinking was that the two urinals wouldnt have coped with an increased throughput of beer! |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,Joe Date: 23 Jun 08 - 05:46 AM Spent a fair amount of time in the Tiger, heard some great music, played a few tunes, drank a few beers, met some nice people, generally had a good time. Could barely get in the door of the Sun when I tried! My only problem with the festival itself - how difficult would it have been to set up a proper bar in the sports hall? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: The DeanMeister Date: 23 Jun 08 - 05:32 AM Thoroughly enjoyed ourselves at the Sun Inn on saturday. It was splendid to see Rich Wastling back doing his thing, and Jim MacDonald back in town sorting out the rabble as only he can. Had a couple in the newly reopened Oddfellows later in the evening, too, with Kampervan, Vicky and friends. All in all, a top day out spent in good company. After a what seemed to me to be a disappointing showing last year, it was good to see the festival alive and kicking again. Might even join in the camping again next year! Good to see you all. Pete. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Paco Rabanne Date: 23 Jun 08 - 03:25 AM Anybody else see The Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain last night? What a titter they were! I also saw Tony Benn stood in the bike shelter outside the Leisure Centre on saturday smoking his pipe. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Soldier boy Date: 22 Jun 08 - 06:15 PM Wow! What a great festival. It'a an absolute gem. Can't understand why I have not been to it before. Everything is close at hand, the pubs are great, the people are great and there is so much choice. This really is a little diamond of a festival and ticks all the boxes for me. So why on earth would anyone dare to even think about changing it. No way. That would be sacrilege and a crime against good reason and common sense. If it's not broke don't try to fix it. This festival comfortably fits the needs and aspirations of the folk community, the local community and local businesses in the town like a warm pair of gloves. A big thank you and my fullest praise and admiration to all the organisers and all the helpers that worked tirelessly to make this festival such a resounding success. It's brilliant! |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST Date: 21 Jun 08 - 03:25 AM Hows it going so far folks? should be there later today |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Les from Hull Date: 19 Jun 08 - 03:36 PM Yes they are. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: danensis Date: 19 Jun 08 - 03:29 PM Are those Rocky Horror Morris girlies going to be there? John |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Graham and Jo Date: 19 Jun 08 - 02:28 PM This Friday in the tiger the front room session will be generaly aiming at English / morris tunes / steady pace / easier tunes. Ged will be in the back room. Back room sessions will be Northumbrian / Irish / faster tunes. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Graham and Jo Date: 19 Jun 08 - 02:24 PM Add to the list of regular sessions in Beverley year round Wednesday 8.30 tunes session Tiger (mostly Northumbrian and Irish) Sunday 8.00 Irish tunes session Tiger The Tuesday session in the Tiger is a tunes workshop for every level from beginner to expert until about 9.40, and in the last part of the session gemeral tunes and songs session. |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Wildboy Date: 19 Jun 08 - 02:13 PM Hi All. There is a flyer circulating with a list of all fringe events, which I have reproduced below... Fringe Events Sun Inn – The home of live music in Beverley The Big Session - Singers and musicians welcome throughout the weekend. Friday 12pm – late, Sat & Sun 9am – late Breakfasts & proper pub grub available Hodgsons – Front bar Fri 6.30pm Welcome session – Hosts - Les & Maggie Sat 12pm Singers & musicians – Host - Derek Waudby Sat 4pm The Good Old Days (Music Hall) – Carol & Hazel Sat 7pm Singers & musicians – Hosts – John Yeoman & John Nixon Sun 11am Hessle Ceilidh Band (session for musicians wanting to play (or listen to) Early music & French tunes. Line up includes hurdy gurdy, shawm, pipes and percussion). Sun 2pm Singers & musicians – Hosts Whisperin' Chris Mullins & Murph Sun 7pm Farewell session – Les & Maggie The Tiger Inn - Lairgate Fri 8.30pm – Tune session – Hosts – Jo & Graham Sat – Tune sessions –Turn up & play throughout the day Sun – Daytime tune sessions –Turn up & play Sun 8pm – Irish Tune session – Hosts – Kinetic Ceilidh Syntan Barge – Beverley Beck Sun 11am – 2pm – Lunchtime sing in a unique venue – Host – Carol The Foresters Arms - Beckside north Sat Daytime – Folk friendly – Turn up & play! Sun 2pm – Songwriters session – always a popular session of original songs Hosts – Pip, Merry, Martin & Merv The Mariners - Flemingate Sat 2pm -7pm – The Flivvers session – lively bunch of musicians doing for music what St. Vitus did for dance! The Moulders Arms - 32 Wilbert Lane (Worth seeking out, real ales. No under 18s) Folk friendly throughout the weekend. Turn up & play! The Sloop Inn - Beckside Folk Friendly Sat & Sun Daytime. Turn up & play! The Queens Head - Wednesday Market Folk Friendly. Turn up & play! Lord Nelson- 13 Flemingate Folk Friendly. Turn up & play! Kinetic Ceilidh will play a roving session of Irish tunes on Saturday (musicians welcome) The Green Dragon (Saturday Market) 3pm - 6pm The Durham Ox (48 Norwood) 6pm - 8.30pm The Beverley Arms Hotel (25 North Bar Within) 8.45pm - late Beverley is blessed with loads of great pubs and many that don't appear in these listings may still welcome musicians. Go explore! Please note that Nellies (The White Horse – Hengate) still doesn't allow live music, but if you've never been before it's still a must for a pint. Music in Beverley doesn't begin and end with the festival. There are regular music sessions throughout the year… Mondays 8pm - Folk Club – Foresters Tuesdays 8.30pm Acoustic/open mic nights – Sun Inn Tuesdays 8pm– Tune session – The Tiger Fridays 8.30pm Tune Session – The Tiger Sat 4pm – Musicians session The Sun Inn Sun 4pm – Singers & musicians The Sun Inn Sun 8.30pm – Kinetic Ceilidh tune session – The Tiger Fringe organiser – Roy Wild (wildboy – mudcat) Keep it live! |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: GUEST,Dáithí Date: 19 Jun 08 - 05:14 AM Thanks for the info regarding sessions on sunday - hope to see some familiar faces! Dáithí (Whistle player with Gone to the Dogs) |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Sir Roger de Beverley Date: 19 Jun 08 - 05:08 AM No rock bands in The Sun this weekend - it is folk friendly from Friday lunchtime onwards R |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: ossonflags Date: 18 Jun 08 - 03:45 PM Plenty going on people!! never mind what has gone before or the whys, the whats and the wherefores, just enjoy the festival and let us keep music live!!! |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Sir Roger de Beverley Date: 18 Jun 08 - 03:33 PM The Monk's Walk beer garden is currently full of debris and would not be a good venue for anything except demolition! I think that Mick is meeting me in the Sun at noon on Saturday and then proceeding to the Mariners to meet up with Dick etc R |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Graham and Jo Date: 18 Jun 08 - 01:40 PM The Beckside shanty festival didn't want to recreate the Beverley folk festival, but to have things going on around the Beck. There are plenty of good pubs in town. The Tiger, the Monks Walk, The Green Dragon, The Royal Standard, and Nellies (the White Horse) are worth a look. But they won't allow music in Nellies. The person who looks after sessions in the Sun on usual Saturday afternoons is John the Harp. Don't know what his plans are exactly this weekend but he'll probably be in the Sun. They often have rock bands there Friday nights though. Don't know if they will this Friday. What's happened to Mick's singaround? |
Subject: RE: Beverley Folk Festival From: Les from Hull Date: 18 Jun 08 - 01:19 PM I believe that the decision that the Shanty organisers took was to use the pubs nearest to the Beck, to concentrate the music and so on down that end. I know that the Sun is only two pubs further away, but I suppose you have to draw the line somewhere! And there is a regular Saturday and Sunday session in the Sun throughout the year. That must have been what you joined. |
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