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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,Denise:^) Date: 15 Aug 01 - 03:22 AM Hmmm...still can't tell enough to know what was going on. Some people ARE just creeps, you know; it's too bad, but I hope you keep trying other places 'till you find one that 'fits.' (Oh--the folks who joined our paid performance never stopped to ask if it was okay to join us. They just walked up and joined in with our group, which looked--to them--like a group of folkies playing under the trees at the Heritage Days festival. Which we were, only we were there by request & contract...) And, like Kernow John, I've had the 'guitar player whanging away during an intentionally unaccompanied song' experience, too...usually in a rhythm totally unrelated to the song being sung...BUT, no matter how good they are, there are songs you just want/need to sing unaccompanied! So, keep looking, if you want to find new places to play. (Sounds like you already have some.) If they're snobs, you don't want to play with them anyway! Denise:^) |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,faswilli2 Date: 14 Aug 01 - 11:19 PM I'm no expert but it seems there is a certain etiquitte to follow when sitting in to jam or participating in an open mike. True, some people want to jump out front and show what they can do but they often destroy a rhythm that the group has going. Guage your time to jump in , it will come. |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,Dorothy's twin again Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:22 PM Noreen, you do love to write more and more about less and less, don't you? Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song, A medley of extemporanea; And love is a thing that can never go wrong; And I am Marie of Roumania. |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: Noreen Date: 14 Aug 01 - 10:09 PM Nah, Twin, I'm a scientist and my statement above was based on my own empirical observations: All the mudcatters I have met (and that is a fair few) have been friendly. Perhaps if you gave people a chance to find out who you are, you might find that there are other ways of dealing with the world than cynicism? Noreen Keene |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,Dorothy Parker's Evil Twin Date: 14 Aug 01 - 09:32 PM Noreen, where did you say you received your indoctrination? |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: Noreen Date: 14 Aug 01 - 09:29 PM No, they weren't mudcatters... by definition, catters would have been friendly! Sorry you've had a bad time. Where in the world are you, chick? |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 14 Aug 01 - 07:09 PM Perhaps your use of capital letters says something? |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,Kernow John Date: 14 Aug 01 - 06:28 PM Sorry you had a bad experience Rock Chick but it can work both ways. Had a couple come to our session the other night, good musicians both of them. They started to play along with an unncompanied singer so I lent forward and asked quietly if they could just hang on a minute. They took umbridge and didn't join in the rest of the evening. It left me feeling bad for a while as we pride ourselves on being a friendly session. There you go can't win them all! KJ |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: Richard Bridge Date: 14 Aug 01 - 06:26 PM Maybe some specifics would help? Most clubs (sessions) seem quite friendly to me, and so far as I've seen we wrinklies tend to become overcome with the need to preserve the next generation if anyone under 40 comes in. Bob Copper's club, mind you, is reputed to ostracise anyone who wants to play guitar because the guitar is not known to English folk music being (a) foreign and (b) modern. But perhaps when you're that famous you are allowed to be eccentric. |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: rock chick Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:40 PM So many questions guest Denise, lets break it down, 1."you people" is a term "if the hat fits 2.They may well be people who use Mudcat, they never really get chatting, there to unfriendly. 3.It happens at a few different pubs I'v visted, mind you only twice, the first time, ok I new give it time, on the second visit I think if you want to behave like that won't bother again. 4.I like to play the type of music that fits the evening and the people. 5.If someone came to our folk jam and announced "I *hate* folk music!! etc etc even we wouldn't welcome him/her ( can't be sexist) 6. NO I would dream of joining in with anyone who was been paid, unless I was asked, even then I would think twice about it. Your the ones been paid, you bloody well work for it (joke) :-) rc |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,joeclone Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:31 PM MESSAGES MOVED FROM DUPLICATE THREAD:
Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS RC--once was good enough,grin. See this thread. This one is a duplicate. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS Some musicians you've come across are unfriendly, but others are friendly? That's true enough. It's how this world is. On the whole I think the people who play in sessions in oubs tend to be a little bit friendlier and more welcomed than the general run of people in pubs, in England anyway, but there are some creeps everywhere. Presumably it's a particular case you're irritated by. But where does the "you people" come into it? In the econtext of the Mudcat "you people" are spread over several continents.
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS Sorcha, I'm having trouble with the computer tonight, got to blame something, lucky it only went twice, could have been many more. McGrath of Harlow, "you people" being a term "if the hat fits" :-)
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,Denise:^) Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:21 PM Who are "you people?" Are they on Mudcat? Do you know this? How? If this is not at the clubs or pubs you go to, how do you know it happens? What did you want to play? The same type of music they did, or were you going to "show them what real music sounds like?" (A man came to our folk music jam, and announced, "I *hate* folk music!! I'm going to show you-all what GOOD music sounds like!" Needless to say, folks didn't exactly roll out the red carpet!) Did you want to sing at an instrumental jam? Play an instrumental tune at a song jam? Are you sure it was a jam you wanted to join, and not a show or a rehearsal? (We've had people walk right up and join in when we've been at a paid performance--art fairs, "heritage festivals," and the like, where they pay you to set up in an area and play for 3 hours or so for folks passing by. Needless to say, we didn't appreciate the 'help!') I'm not accusing you of anything wrong--I just want to point out that there are way too many "unknowns" here for anybody to give you any good suggestions. Why don't you slip in a few details, and see if we can come up with anything solid? Denise:^) |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:18 PM We're just windin' ye up, rock chick. I love rock too, and my daughter just the short and spiky hair cut. I've been envious all summer, and may just do it myself...it is so EASY! Kind regards. |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: rock chick Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:15 PM Guest,joeclone, sorry didn't mean to shout was typing away and relised the caps lock was on and just couldn't be bothered to take it off, mind you I feel like shouting at some of those so called friendly musician, and whilst the pub may be doing the advertising the musician normally have a say in it as well, down our way they do anyway. PeteBoom in fact I play guitar,and yes I do PLAY bodhran :-) am also leaning manderlin and the piano, though I wouldn't play them in public for a long time yet!! and to Guest? the name rc came about somthing to do with the haircut, short and spiky,It's my twin daughters who play the drums, mind you I love rock music, in fact I like most music. |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: PeteBoom Date: 14 Aug 01 - 05:04 PM Hey - rock and bodhrans have in common... Do you "play" a drum machine? I remember a night in an "alternative" club when a buddy and I were laughing at the incredibly bad duo dancing to their pre-programmed electronic devices. One of them said "I'd like to see YOU two old farts* (I'm being polite here, you get the idea) program one of these - so we did - Ein Kline Nacht Musik. (I spelled it wrong, you get the idea...) |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:43 PM Pete, Don't be ridiculous, she is a rock chick. She plays a drum machine. :-) |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,RiS Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:42 PM I usually find its quite the opposite I listen in at a session for a few weeks, then get asked to play. I explain how rubbish I am, people encorage me, I play, they realise I speak the truth and then let me go back to being part of the the audience Roger |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: PeteBoom Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:36 PM This could be a silly question. Do you play bodhran? (practicing "duck and cover" - and showing how old I am...) |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:31 PM .......is that the same unfriendly musician following you around to different pubs?????????? sounds like a stalker to me |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:29 PM I'm sorry, I didn't hear you rock chick, could you scream that thread title at me a few more times? |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST,joeclone Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:22 PM MOVED FROM DUPLICATE THREAD: FROM EBBIE: Don't shout, rc- What? Were you brought up in a barn? *BG* In answer to your question: maybe it's not the musicians who do the advertising but the pub instead? If that's so, be assured that you are welcome, even if the old die-hard regulars are not fond of the idea of newcomers. Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:16 PM who, what, where? please explain some more? |
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Subject: RE: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: MMario Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:10 PM Bravo! Hope you can continue to maintain that attitude - especially if you encounter someone who deliberatly comes to your venue to disrupt the jam. |
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Subject: UNFRIENDLY FOLK MUSICIAN IN PUBS From: rock chick Date: 14 Aug 01 - 04:07 PM WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHY THESE PEOPLE ADVERTISE IN THE LOCAL PAPERS 'ALL MUSICIAN WELCOME TO COME AND PLAY' BUT WHEN YOU ARRIVE THESE PEOPLE ARE COLD AND UNFRIENDLY, THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT WANT ANY NEW PEOPLE TO PLAY. THEY DO NOT EVEN GIVE PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE GOOD MUSICIANS. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SCARED OF?? IN THE CLUB AND PUBS I GO TO WE WELCOME EVERYONE, IN FACT WE ENCOURAGE ANY NEW COMERS TO JOIN IN, NEEDLESS TO SAY WE HAVE A GREAT FOLLOWING |
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