BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 06:26 PM

Yeah, Trump orders an investigation that he tried to prevent only because he didn't have the votes to confirm.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: olddude
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:53 PM

Apparently if one wants to achieve the highest offices in the land, being a sexual predator is required. We let down Anita hill now we do the same to ford. History always repeats itself

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:46 PM

"GoFundMe campaigns supporting Christine Blasey Ford, a college professor who accuses Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault while they were in high school, have raised more than $700,000 on her behalf."

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:27 PM

Sorry:

"Kavanaugh said in a statement Friday evening, "Throughout this process, I've been interviewed by the FBI, I've done a number of 'background' calls directly with the Senate, and yesterday, I answered questions under oath about every topic the Senators and their counsel asked me. I've done everything they have requested and will continue to cooperate."

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:26 PM

"WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Friday ordered the FBI to conduct an additional background investigation of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, who faces several sexual misconduct allegations.

"I've ordered the FBI to conduct a supplemental investigation to update Judge Kavanaugh's file," Trump tweeted. "As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week."

.....

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Friday ordered the FBI to conduct an additional background investigation of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, who faces several sexual misconduct allegations.



"I've ordered the FBI to conduct a supplemental investigation to update Judge Kavanaugh's file," Trump tweeted. "As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-orders-fbi-to-investigate-kavanaugh-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations/ar-BBNFjrG?ocid=ientp

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:03 PM

"WASHINGTON — Senate Republican leaders, bowing to a last-minute demand from Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, will delay by as much as one week a vote on whether to confirm Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, to allow time for an F.B.I. investigation into accusations of sexual assault against the nominee.----

The decision, made in a hurried closed-door meeting between Republicans on the Judiciary Committee and Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, came after a dramatic reversal by Mr. Flake, who announced he would not support final confirmation until the F.B.I. investigates the allegations. With that stipulation, the Judiciary Committee then voted along party lines to advance Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Senate."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-republicans-agree-to-one-week-delay-in-final-kavanaugh-vote/ar-BBNEWTG?ocid=ientp

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 04:50 PM

"Kavanaugh vehemently denied the allegation yet again Thursday, and said he was open to “any kind” of investigation.

“I know any kind of investigation — Senate, FBI, Montgomery County Police — will clear me,” Kavanaugh said Thursday. “I will do whatever the committee wants to do because I am telling the truth ... I am innocent of the charge.”

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:52 PM

Chairman Grassly twice quoted Joe Biden regarding the uselessness of an FBI report. Another Republican quoted it a third time. I don't know the context of Joe Biden's quote (supposedly from the Clarence Thomas hearings), but the plain common sense is simple. The FBI can interrogate persons about the events of circa 1982 as testified to by Dr. Ford and Judge Kavanaugh. They can assemble documentary evidence that either supports yesterday's testimony or exposes untruths. An FBI report, with skill and luck, can make a big difference.


Meanwhile, I can't help but observe how the Trump phenomenon has lowered the bar of behavior and standards of discourse for us all. Standards of society have already taken a hit.


A Luta Continua.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:17 PM

One part of the testimony that I already wrote I found believable and I will go farther and say 'honest' was when Dr. Ford said she was weighing the balance of testifying versus the personal cost to her based on how effective it would be. If the selection was a 'done deal' why bother? If she was going up against a 'stone' wall of unbelief or obstruction, why bother? It is reasonable that she is not alone with these considerations. The fears that stifle free expression in our supposed 'free' society are different than those in other countries that we think we are 'superior' to, but the result is no less injurious.

So I think it does some credit to many of the Republicans that they have proven themselves open to hearing out these issues so publicly. Our society is not finished (yet).

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:04 PM

"They need a one month delay till after the election when they expect to increase their numbers to a majority in the Senate."

One month? That's peanuts compared to the 293 days they held up the Merrick Garland nomination until it expired at the end of the congressional session. He never even got a hearing.
To paraphrase Nixon, "The American people need to know that their Supreme Court Justices are not rapists" and if that takes a week, or a month, so what.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:41 PM

"They need a one month delay till after the election when they expect to increase their numbers to a majority in the Senate."

Yes, we wouldn't want to give the people a chance to express their will, would we? Sounds suspiciously like democracy, doesn't it?

"Sad day when Democratic ambition", etc.

You see, with the Republicans, it's all about care and compassion and what's best for everybody - with the Dems, it's all ambition ... yup ....

Thanks, Sen. Flake. Let's hope there IS an FBI investigation. No matter what it finds, Kavanaugh has demonstrated that he is utterly unfit for the Supreme Court - but if we find that he has no history of sexual violence, that's so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:33 PM

I just came upon this passage in Bob Woodward's latest book, "Fear":

"Trump gave some private advice to a friend who had acknowledged some bad behavior toward women. Real power is fear. It’s all about strength. Never show weakness. You’ve always got to be strong. Don’t be bullied. There is no choice.
“You’ve got to deny, deny, deny and push back on these women,” he said. “If you admit to anything and any culpability, then you’re dead. That was a big mistake you made. You didn’t come out guns blazing and just challenge them. You showed weakness. You’ve got to be strong. You’ve got to be aggressive. You’ve got to push back hard. You’ve got to deny anything that’s said about you. Never admit.”

I watched the hearings yesterday with fascination. I found Dr. Ford to be credible. Nevertheless, the Republicans have points of reasonable doubt that can be used both rationally and politically. And they did both.

Particularly effective was Lindsay Graham's passionate and precisely timed rant which transformed a superficially secular investigation into events and probabilities into a purely partisan face-off.

And I found Judge Kavanaugh to be more Nixonian, making emotional appeals from someone who was not known for displaying such, reminiscent of the 'Checkers' speech.

Where my continuity of belief just broke was the reference in high school yearbook of "Renate Alumnus". I find it credible that this was a crude in-joke of a sexual nature. I don't believe it was a reference to just good friends.

I sure hope the FBI gets a crack at this. They should check out the Judge's words of self-defence. Every one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:17 PM

Your concern for Dr. Ford is really touching.

Now, if the FBI finds all these allegations unfounded Kavanaugh can move forward with a clean slate and the American people can at least be assured that the Senate hasn't placed a sexual predator on the SCOTUS, that is, assuming the Republicans don't disregard proof of criminal behavior and vote him in anyway. As it says on the masthead of the Washington Post- "Democracy Dies in Darkness".

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 02:08 PM

Democrats secure a week delay.

They need a one month delay till after the election when they expect to increase their numbers to a majority in the Senate.

Sad day when Democratic ambition trumps the welfare of Judge Kavanaugh, and medical help for Dr. Ford.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:19 PM

"Dear Chairman Grassley and Ranking Member Feinstein:

As I state in my attorney [sic], Barbara Ven Gelder’s September 18, 2018, letter, I did not ask to be involved in this matter nor did anyone ask me to be involved. We have told the Committee that I do not want to comment about these events publicly. As a recovering alcoholic and a cancer survivor, I have struggled with depression and anxiety. As a result, I avoid public speaking.

Brett Kavanaugh and I were friends in high school, but we have not spoken directly in several years. I do not recall the events described by Dr. Ford in her testimony before the US Senate Judiciary Committee today. I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.

I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony.

Sincerely yours,

Mark Judge

Witnessed By:

Barbara Ven Gelder, counsel for Mark Judge
"
a href="http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brett-kavanaugh%e2%80%99s-friend-mark-judge-speaks-out-after-christine-blasey-ford%e2%80%">http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brett-kavanaugh%e2%80%99s-friend-mark-judge-speaks-out-after-christine-blasey-ford%e2%80%

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:17 PM

Kavanaugh came across like a bitter, truculent misanthrope. He didn't look like the kind of thoughtful, patient judicial scholar that you'd hope would sit on the highest court in the land.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:13 PM

"Kavanaugh had been stilted and overly programmed prior to Thursday, including in his initial round of Senate hearings and in an interview with Fox News earlier in the week. But, after days of enduring a process of unprecedented nastiness, Kavanaugh didn’t hold anything back.

In his opening statement, he was personal about the devastating effects of the charges levied against him, both on his reputation and on his family. He was excoriating about how Ford’s allegation was handled by Senate Democrats, who sat on it until the last moment. He scorned the ridiculous charges that have been layered on since, including that he was party to gang rapes. He invoked all he had invested in public service and in his friendships over the years. He expressed regret, as he should, over juvenile references in his high-school yearbook. He acknowledged enjoying beer, as a teenager and still as an adult. And he was angry, very angry, at the Democrats who have attacked his integrity and welcomed any bottom-feeding allegation, including a grotesque smear dredged up publicity-hungry lawyer Michael Avenatti.

His face was distorted in fury, he had trouble composing himself, and at times he wept. This was an incredibly raw performance by the standards of Washington and especially by the standards of Senate confirmation hearings.

Immediately, the same opponents of Kavanaugh who have been portraying him as a monster took great umbrage that he’d be angry at being portrayed as a monster. Look, they said, he lacks a judicial temperament!

But how is a person who maintains his innocence supposed to react when a political party will credit any allegation against him, when swathes of the media presume his guilt, when every aspect of his teenage years — including notations in his yearbook — are used against him, when all the testimonials in his favor and his decades of spotless public service mean nothing?

Kavanaugh’s anger over these kinds of attacks says nothing about his jurisprudence. His extensive opinions as a D.C. Circuit Court judge are all carefully reasoned and written. His opinions on the Supreme Court, should he make it there, will no doubt be the same. Hearing a case or writing an opinion isn’t the same as defending your integrity in a high-stakes political showdown.

The most difficult challenge Kavanaugh had was pushing back on Christine Blasey Ford’s allegation that he sexually assaulted her in high school, without seeming harsh or dismissive. He didn’t contest that she was assaulted and expressed sympathy for her — in fact, in an emotional moment, he related how his daughter suggested praying for her. But he persuasively made the case that there isn’t evidence of her contention that he was the perpetrator. The four people Ford has named as being present at the party in question say they don’t recall it, and Kavanaugh’s calendar that served as something of a journal suggests he was often out of town or otherwise accounted for on summer weekends in 1982, the year of the alleged incident.

Brett Kavanaugh, like all Supreme Court nominees, has carefully calculated his way through his public career. But if he gets on the Court, it will be because he abandoned the usual constraints and showed the nation a powerfully human reaction to the attacks on him. His opening statement may well end up changing the course of the Supreme Court, and of our politics."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-should-be-angry/ar-BBNDGgT?ocid=ientp

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:12 PM

Dear Women, you have not officially lost until Tuesday.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:52 PM

The covetted brass ring of Conservatives has been to end Social Security.
A Supreme Court can enable this at long last.

Big Money will own predictable Supream Court votes with impunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:50 PM

'Crying' without tears is faked.
Bad acting - Kavanaugh wouldntbget a job sweeping the stage for the High School play.
Angry, aggressive attitude - methinks he doth protest too much.

In the words of Stephen King, "I believe the woman".

The usual disclaimers apply......IMHO, YMMV etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:25 PM

1.
DJT is not Judge Kavanaugh. The idea that there is any similarity between is a great piece of comedy. Sorry I don't think DJTs acts have any bearing on the innocence of the Judge.
2.
As pointed out in separate Committee meetings, by Joe Biden in the Anita Hill fiasco, and by the current chair in this one, FBI investigation is useless because it can only offer statements of the actors to the court of adjudication, and, as is repeated in both hearings, the relevant participants are there in person under oath to provide them. Why bother with wasting FBI resources? Except that somebody wants to delay the vote?
3.
Mark Judge. He, a recovering alcoholic, so the media reports, denies Dr Ford's claim. As well, he took his right to not participate any further in the matter, protected by our US laws. Be aware that any Lawyer would make hay with him in a Subpoena / witness stand, IOW he would not be much use to either side.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:21 PM

America GET READY FOR MORE FIRSTS and revisited past

Abortion not only will be banned but it will be criminalized for the mother and practitioner.

We have the possibility of the first sitting SPJ that is disbarred.

Unions will finally be illegal

Money for elections may be from foreign sources legally

Multi National Corporations may be tax free AND immune from US law.

Who will be 3/5 Human?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 11:37 AM

OKay, j77whatever - obviously, there is a lot of disagreement - so why not let the FBI investigate and clear it up? Why not hear from Mark Judge? I think we know why not, don't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:53 AM

The outcome of the enquiry into this man's behaviour remains to be seen but it is hard not to notice the energy Trump is putting into displaying his innocence before anything has been proved
Trump is surrounding himself with nodding dogs and if he succeeds you can kiss goodbye to any form of honesty and justice in the future
If things continue as they are we are going to be deafened by the sound of stable doors banging and horses bolting
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:47 AM

The proof of the pudding ...

This morning the vote is being considered, by evening results.

My thoughts on this come from reading a lot of informed comment on Twitter. The ones that gave me pause are professional actresses and experts on testimony. In effect I came to the conclusion that Dr. Ford is coached, and that if she was really assaulted it had to have been by some other individual not the accused.

Too, I almost cheered for Senator Lindsey Graham's nailing the Democrats to the wall for what has been done to Judge Kavanaugh. After all is said and done, he is still just a father and husband with a wife and two children.

It has been noted in Committee that none of this need ever have been in the public venue, and, by rights, belonged in a bi-partisan procedure. But they report that the Democrats insisted on the public humiliation of Judge Kavanaugh as some sort of 'get even' with the Republicans for what happened to Bill Clinton all those years ago.

So I do not now believe that Judge Kavanaugh is a pervert, a serial rapist, a sexual offender. Because, all Dr. Fords own witnesses deny what she claimed about the Judge, and his biography of relations with females is sqeeky clean.

Judge Kavanaugh never assaulted Dr Ford, in fact he appears not to even know this woman, who IMHO is deranged.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 10:20 AM

Jim, I, for one, don't wish to converse at the level of Trump. While I'm ideologically opposed to Kavanaugh in just about every way I can think of, my only concern is for a fair evaluation of the candidate. No disrespect to Donuel but the title he's chosen has a "give him a fair trial and then hang him" mentality to it. Let's get these allegations investigated. What's a few days spent interviewing Mark Judge and others by the FBI compared to the possibility of giving a sex offender (some would argue another sex offender) a LIFETIME appointment to the SCOTUS.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:23 AM

"Does anyone else find the title of this thread inappropriate? At this time, anyway."
If Trump can persist with his praising of this man - why not
"Why should the Devil have all the good tunes?"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:08 AM

I had never heard of Kamala Harris before, but she was pretty impressive in that hearing. Is she a serious candidate for the presidential nomination?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 08:57 AM

I have never been a fan of good ol boys but I acknowledge their existance.
Repubicans are better at being good ol boys.

REPUBLICANS are better at yelling
REPUBLICANS are better at lieing
REPUBLICANS are better at making thier own facts
REPUBLICANS are better at being staunch
REPUBLICANS are better at ignoring evil
conversely
DEMOCRATS are not better at yelling...etc.

Our Institutions and processes are only as effective as the dignity of their individual members.
If there is one thing Obama showed us, it was that.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 08:05 AM

Gillymor, YES, and I'd like the men to STFU for a bit in it.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 06:32 AM

I hope that everyone who is concerned that Kavanaugh is not being properly vetted in light of these allegations is letting their Senator and other Senators know. No Republican has given one good reason why the FBI is not investigating.
Does anyone else find the title of this thread inappropriate? At this time, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 06:20 AM

No one is going to be prosecuted. The demonstration of having no Judicial Temperment by Brett is enough to disqualify him. The Republicans are now one vote away from 'Losing Kavnaugh'.

Chances are the repubs will win thier pick and the country and Kavanaugh are the real losers.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:59 AM

It seems to me the most serious aspect of this is the fact that it is taking place under a President who is a notorious misogynist who has advocated that men behave towards women how they wish because 'that's what they really want'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 04:29 AM

Bruce, I looked up this Broaddrick thing. The alleged Bill Clinton rape happened in 1978. If she can press charges and get somebody to prosecute Clinton, more power to her. But he's not running for president or nominated for the Supreme Court, so the case is more-or-less irrelevant unless it can be prosecuted.

In case you didn't notice, Brett Kavanaugh is a nominee for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, so the sexual misconduct charges against him are indeed relevant - although it's very unlikely that Kavanaugh will be prosecuted for them.

Yes, both Clinton and Kavanaugh appear to have committed shameful sexual crimes, but you seem to be confusing criminal prosecution with confirmation to the Supreme Court. In the Kavanaugh case, it's not a matter of "beyond a reasonable doubt." If a majority of senators vote against him, he doesn't get the job. There's no due process, and there shouldn't be.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:59 AM

American Bar Association: Delay Kavanaugh until FBI investigates assault allegations

The American Bar Association is calling on the Senate Judiciary Committee to halt the consideration of President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh until an FBI investigation is completed into the sexual assault allegations that have roiled his nomination.

In a strongly worded letter obtained by CNN Thursday, the organization said it is making the extraordinary request "because of the ABA's respect for the rule of law and due process under law," siding with concerns voiced by Senate Democrats since Christine Blasey Ford's decades-old allegations became public. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: olddude
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 12:55 AM

He should be and Kavanaugh should welcome it as it would validate him. Instead the guy is in hiding why

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:18 PM

Why hasn't Mark Judge been subpoenaed?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:14 PM

j0_77,

Sorry, but that was already looked at and no corroborating evidence was found- Seems like evidence IS required if it goes against what the Liberals want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:12 PM

So, Donuel,

You require him to prove his innocence, not for Ford to prove him guilty.


So if I were to accuse you of something vile, you would agree you must prove me wrong, and I do not need to prove you guilty?

Or do you set yourself above the law that you apply to Kavanaugh?


"Literally anyone can make an accusation -- especially an accusation about something that happened 36 years ago. And it's especially hard for someone accused of something from so long ago to mount a defense or provide an alibi.

Also, if she has a false memory of something that happened so long ago, or even a partially false memory, she would not be the first.

These are all reasons why corroboration is especially important in this case. And here's another: This isn't just about the "privilege," as Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., put it, of sitting on the court. This is now about Kavanaugh's entire life and good name, as well as that of his family. If he isn't confirmed, it's over for him. By springing these accusations on him at the last minute, Democrats have backed him into a corner. He will be disgraced and ruined if he isn't confirmed.

Ford's story, taken in isolation, sounds like a plausible account of something that might have happened. What it needs to become accepted fact is corroboration. And no one, including the people Ford has named as witnesses, remembers a party or gathering like the one she describes. She doesn't remember the month or day of the incident. She doesn't remember how she got back to her home -- not a small issue in pre-Uber suburban Montgomery County for someone who lacks a driver's license. The original therapists' notes about the event described an attack by four men and not two.

In similar fashion, no one can confirm Deborah Ramirez's account of Kavanaugh exposing himself to her at Yale, even though several people would have had to see that happen by her own account.

And that's also worth pointing out specifically: It's not just the "in private" part of these allegations that no one corroborates -- it's also the "in public" part.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/christine-ford-is-a-sympathetic-witness-but-that-cant-overcome-the-lack-of-corroboration-t

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: j0_77
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:10 PM

Somebody is going to be eating their hat!

Two men have now come forwards to admit it was they who assaulted Dr Ford ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-faces-sexual-misconduct-112945406.html

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:06 PM

Grassley's ass is grass. Until he calls the FBI meself.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:00 PM

The transcript stands on its own but I fear you believe that it is your patriotic duty to ignore it.

The most constructive awareness is that Brett did not listen to Ford's testimony. As a result Brett was unaware of Two incontravertible facts that he erroneously went on to base his defense on those Two disproven facts. Yikes!

For people who weigh evidence, Brett was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt from that moment on.

I don't want to embarrass anyone who missed this crucial fact.
But I will elucidate further if need be.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: meself
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:57 PM

I'll believe Kavanaugh if there's an FBI investigation, and it produces no evidence to support the accusations against him. I'm afraid I don't have much faith in an 'investigation' conducted by Grassley's staff. Who would?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:42 PM

BTW, you mentioned facts. Since we have Ford's statement as to what happened, maybe we should look at Broadrick's, and see just what Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban didn't think needed to be investigated:

Broaddrick says the two spoke briefly in her room, with Clinton describing plans to renovate a prison visible from her window if he became governor. Then, according to Broaddrick, Clinton suddenly kissed her. Broaddrick says she pushed Clinton away and told him she was married and not interested, but he persisted. As recounted in the NBC interview:


Then he tries to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he starts biting my lip … He starts to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from him. And then he forces me down on the bed. And I just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him 'No,' that I didn't want this to happen but he wouldn't listen to me. … It was a real panicky, panicky situation. I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to 'Please stop.' And that's when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip. … When everything was over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes out the door he says 'You better get some ice on that.' And he turned and went out the door.

When asked if there was any way Clinton could have thought it was consensual, Broaddrick said "No, not with what I told him and with how I tried to push him away. It was not consensual."

Broaddrick shared the hotel room with her friend and employee Norma Rogers. Rogers attended a conference seminar that morning, and says she returned to their room to find Broaddrick on the bed "in a state of shock," her pantyhose torn in the crotch and her lip swollen as though she had been hit. Rogers says Broaddrick told her Clinton had "forced himself on her." Rogers helped Broaddrick ice her lip, and then the women left Little Rock. Rogers said that Broaddrick was very upset on the way home and blamed herself for letting Clinton in the room. Broaddrick says she did not tell her husband, Gary Hickey, about the incident, and told him she accidentally injured her lip. He told NBC he did not remember the injury or her explanation. David Broaddrick, however, has said he noticed her injured lip, and she told him that Clinton had raped her when he asked about it. Three other friends confirmed that Broaddrick had told them about the incident at the time: Susan Lewis, Louis Ma, and Jean Darden, Norma Rogers' sister. Broaddrick did not recall the date of the alleged incident, but said it was spring of 1978 and that she had stayed in the Camelot Hotel. Records show Broaddrick attended a nursing home meeting at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock on April 25, 1978. The Clinton White House would not respond to requests for Clinton's official schedule for the date, but news reports suggest that he was in Little Rock that day, with no official commitments in the morning.

Three weeks after the alleged assault, Broaddrick participated in a small Clinton fundraiser at the home of a local dentist. Broaddrick said she was "in denial" and felt guilty, thinking that she had given Clinton the wrong idea by letting him into her room.[3] When she arrived at the event, she says, her friend who had picked the Clintons up from the airport told her that Hillary Clinton had asked if she would be at the event. Broaddrick says Bill Clinton did not speak to her at the event, but Hillary Clinton approached her, took her hand, and said "I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate what you do for him." When Broaddrick moved her hand away, she says, Hillary Clinton held on to her and said, "Do you understand? Everything that you do." Broaddrick says she felt nauseated and left the gathering. Broaddrick says she interpreted the incident as Hillary Clinton thanking her for keeping quiet.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:35 PM

You mean like they did with Hillary?


Why do you want reasonable things ONLY when it affects Conservatives? Don't you want even the Liberals elected to be decent human beings?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:29 PM

Bruce, you seem to forget that Clinton was impeached. He wasn't convicted, but he WAS impeached. Should he have been impeached time and time again? Not likely. The opposing forces gave it their best shot, and lost.
Once an official is nominated and confirmed, or elected, it's intentionally difficult hard to remove that person from office - that's to ensure stability of government. That's why it's important for candidates with problems to be vetted out before they take office.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:24 PM

If there is evidence, please show me.

So far, we have 5 people who say it did not happen, and one who says all 5 were there and it did happen. You believe the Liberal trying to keep Kavanaugh off the SC and has gotten almost $600,000 so far for her testimony: I believe the preponderance of testimony/statements that it is not true as stated.

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:20 PM

So you can ignore the charges with impunity too.




The biggest irony is that Kavanaugh was actually on Ken Starr's group and was the author of the most graphic sexual questions for Bill Clinton , some of which can not be uttered on TV.

No wonder Brett imagines retribution.

Ain't life wierd?

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:47 PM

WashPo:

"He ticked off his committee’s failed attempts to corroborate Ford’s allegation. He listed four people the panel interviewed who were alleged to be at the party and said: “All, under penalty of felony, denied the events described.”

Subject: RE: BS: Gang rape by good ol boys (Kavanaugh)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:30 PM

Worth reading, regardless of the source...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-fight-of-his-political-life-brett-kavanaugh-goes-off-script-and-gets-emotional/ar-BBND


Joe, Allegation by Broadrick: That Clinton had committed rape while Ark. At. Gen.
Action against Clinton: deposed by the independent counsel, Ken Starr’s group
what did Feinstein, Schumer, and Durban say and do: Support Clinton and not even read the deposition. In other words, these so-called defenders of women's rights ignored a case of rape for political reasons.


"Despite Broaddrick's denial in her affidavit, Jones' lawyers included Yoakum's letter and Broaddrick's name in a 1998 filing.[20] The letter suggested that the Clintons had bought Broaddrick's silence, describing a phone call where Broaddrick's husband asked Yoakum to say the incident never happened and said that he intended to ask Clinton "for a couple of big favors."[22] This, along with the discrepancy between the letter and Broaddrick's affidavit, attracted the attention of independent counsel Kenneth Starr, who was investigating Clinton for obstruction of justice After being approached by the FBI, Broaddrick consulted her son, a lawyer, who told her she could not lie to federal investigators.[12] After Starr granted her immunity,[23] thus assuring that she would not be prosecuted for perjury regarding her affidavit in the Jones case, Broaddrick recanted the affidavit. However, she insisted that Clinton had not pressured or bribed her in any way, and so Starr concluded that the story was not relevant to his investigation and his report only mentioned the recanting in a footnote.[1]

1999[edit]

Rumors continued to circulate in tabloids and on talk radio, now with Broaddrick's name attached.[20] Broaddrick was upset by a tabloid report that she had been paid to keep quiet, and decided to agree to an interview with NBC's Lisa Myers. Myers interviewed her on January 20, 1999, the day after Clinton was impeached. The interview only aired on February 24, 1999, 35 days later and after Clinton had been acquitted on February 12. NBC was accused of intentionally sitting on the story and invoking unusually demanding standards of corroboration until the impeachment process ended. Broaddrick and another source said NBC gathered the key corroborating evidence within 10 days of the interview, NBC assistant producer Chris Giglio said it may have taken him 14 days—in either case, while the impeachment process was ongoing.[20] Though the story was unaired, at least one Republican senator reportedly invoked it to convince undecided Republicans to vote for impeachment.[12]

While NBC waited to air the interview, Broaddrick was approached by Dorothy Rabinowitz, who wrote for the Wall Street Journal editorial page. Upset with NBC's delay, Broaddrick agreed to speak with Rabinowitz, and the story debuted on the Wall Street Journal's editorial page on February 19.[24] NBC aired Myers' interview soon after.