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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Amos Date: 04 Dec 02 - 06:54 PM Now all you Old Timers git out there and order them MUDCAT CDs!!! You'll be the better for it!!! A |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Gareth Date: 04 Dec 02 - 06:43 PM And a final comment - id the Mudcat weren't here would we have to invent it ??? All praise to Max, and his helpers, and Joe I can't complain about your degree of cencorship. You keep it at a civilized basis - which is as it should be. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: John Routledge Date: 04 Dec 02 - 06:31 PM Exactly Rick. Posters controlling their keyboards and hence the Forum |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Rick Fielding Date: 04 Dec 02 - 06:26 PM So...I might as well close this sucker off. Iggy, if yer still around. I hope that you've noticed (as per our little chat off Mudcat) that it's MUCH more focused than when you started this a few days ago. There are academic discussions, SOME political things, PBS arguments, Lyric adds. (a great way to push off the threads you find trivial!!) and in general...a different mix than a few days ago, 'cuz people have MADE it a different mix. If yer looking for more...good luck, but this ain't bad. Cheers Rick |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Dec 02 - 02:20 PM THANKS Joe! (refreshing now that the rest of my post is visible.) |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Jeri Date: 29 Nov 02 - 02:49 PM Or later next month! I look forward to meeting you, iggy. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,iggy folk Date: 29 Nov 02 - 02:38 PM I thought that this was getting a bit strange when I looked in a couple of days ago but I can really see now why some of the people I mentioned in my first post may have given up trying to keep the site more focused. I really am sorry for any slights that were taken and I assure you that wasn't my intent. I'm glad that some Mudcatters agreed with at least some of my concerns. Jeri, your post really made me think and perhaps soften my opinions a bit. I'm told that you'll be visiting here later this month so I'll get a chance to meet you and perhaps make some music. iggy |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Bassic Date: 29 Nov 02 - 06:22 AM Thanks Jeri |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Mrrzy Date: 29 Nov 02 - 12:58 AM Let me say this about that. First, I don't consider myself an old-timer, or a core member, or anything, but I think a lot of you know my name. I know that I was one of those who talked non-music, but important to me, stuff here, when it really was mainly a music forum. That was because I considered you all to be friends of mine (and of each other) who were into music, not musicians and that's all. It didn't occur to me that it would be a bad thing. However, I do find that there are fewer music threads, and I can see that for the musicians who consider this a resource, that might be a problem. I am not a professional musician, I'm just someone who knows almost all the words to a zillion songs, and who like to sing songs all the way through. And I still find the Mudcat to be THE place to find those last few lines... despite all the BS threads. Fourth, therefore, I wish to apologize profusely if I was more of a force away from music than I thought I would be. But I don't regret one minute of the time I've spent here, not even when reading posts specifically nastily addressed personally to me, because hey, if you can't offend your friends, whom can you offend? (That is, I guess, I have that thick skin here of which much has been made.) Meanwhile this is still a resource to end all resources and a great group of diverse individuals whom I consider to be my friends. I've been educated and succored here; having to read a lot of thread titles to find the ones that will fit that bill is a small price to pay to me, although I (having at least seen the "old" Mudcat) can completely understand the legitimate gripe of those old catters, and the only thing I can think of is a time machine + 17 PMs to me and all other such not to do that again after my/their first off-topic post... |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: DougR Date: 28 Nov 02 - 11:11 PM Oh, and Justa Picker: aw shucks. DougR |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: DougR Date: 28 Nov 02 - 11:10 PM Jeri: Your 8:52 A.M. post is a gem. Abbie: My Lord woman, I admire you! How could I hate you? Spaw: Be assured that at least one Arizonan will be rooting for the Llamas ...er ...sorry ...the Beavers ...oh no ... er ...Ohio State when they come out here to win the Fiesta Bowl, regardless of who they are playing! That Arizonan will be me! (From all accounts in the newspapers though, Ohio State fans do get a bit rambunctious at times. I hope they will restrain themselves when they come to Tempe. We are peaceful folks out here.) DougR |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: mmb Date: 28 Nov 02 - 02:45 PM I couldn't agree with your 8:52 AM posting more, Jeri. In addition, I tend to approach problems from a systems perspective, and this thread has been haunting me since last night. Perhaps because of the impending Holiday season, it has reminded me of a classic American TV movie: the Homecoming. It portrays a family with fundamental differences in values and perspectives that have separated them both geographically and emotionally, threatening to disrupt their long-planned holiday together unless and until their problems are recognized and addressed. Recognizing and addressing problems is especially difficult when they are filtered through as many backgrounds, perspectives, and communication skills as we have here on the MC. As I was thinking about this thread last night, I had the wierdest thought: What would a Myers-Briggs profile of this "group" look like . . .? Which led me to wonder if a hypothetical analysis of posting patterns wouldn't reveal several broad categories of post-ers. Please note that this is not a suggestion to do so, and that there are no value judgements implied or intended in this hypothetical description of 'Categories: 1) Those who are focused on the DT, would limit Forum discussions to a narrow definition of The Music, and have little or no patience with anything else cluttering up the site 2) Those who make little or no use of the DT, but rely on the Forum's broad knowledge base and generous sharing on topics that have some general relationship to The Music. 3) Those for whom the Music provides the substrate for social interaction, so the BS threads are their principal attractors, as well as the Mudchat and occasional forays into music threads that happen to catch their attention. Reverting to the dysfunctional family in The Homecoming, within each of our oversimplified 'Categories there may be some members who honestly disagree on facts or values, and who address their differences with honesty and a fundamental respect for each other. But there are also members who appear to take their greatest pleasure from antagonizing the others, whether by criticism, dispute, or name-calling. It is the use to which they put what would otherwise appear to be strong communication skills that is so damaging to the family/group dynamic. Some families shun such members. Others tolerate their negativity, contributing to the weakening of the family ties. And still others, having discovered that the efforts of their individual memberss are insufficient, develop systemic strategies to address their primary problems. It is this last approach that I would like to suggest, and please note that this is in very preliminary form, subject to technical considerations. I would suggest offering the membership an opportunity to respond to a survey thread proposing one change to the sequencing of the threads and messages they see when they log on. The underlying query that generates the lists of threads and messages would require a command for a "First Sort by Prefix," using an alpha sort of the fields in the Prefix drop-down box. In deference to the stated mission of the 'Cat, I would suggest that the end-user would see all the music threads first, and that the results of the member survey be used to determine whether those with the Tech prefix or those with the BS threads follow next. Whatever the order of the First Sort, within each of the categories the lists would be generated just as they are now, Within the Last 24/48 Hrs, or by Postings Since Last Visit, etc. So if I clicked on Messages Since My Last Visit, I would see those that had been posted to the threads with music prefixes first, followed by - e.g. - the Tech responses, followed by BS postings, in either ascending or descending order (depending upon which sort order I'd chosen. Once I became aware of the display pattern, I could focus my attention directly on my target category without having to switch filtering options. What think y'all? Peace! M. * * * * * * * * * * * * Joe - - What follows is my understanding of the technical/logical considerations. I won't mind if you think it should be deleted to shorten the message, as long as someone gives it some consideration and lets me know if my reasoning is not valid. Thanks. Since there would be no change in the structure of any tables, and no change to the prefixes, there would be no backwards-compatible problems, and the pattern of the threads would be self-explanatory to even a casual visitor. I suspect that denial of past requests to add new prefixes that I've noticed comes from the structure of the Prefix drop-down box and its relationships to the other tables. My suggestion does not affect any existing relationships or structures. It does add a query (more than one?). I think my database theory is solid, but my knowledge of web application programming is very superficial. I realize that I may not fully appreciate the programming implications of this suggestion. If this is the case, perhaps it may at least stimulate some other appropriate response. M.
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: katlaughing Date: 28 Nov 02 - 01:16 PM ...make kindness more important than anger, respect of people's strengths more important than disrespect for their weaknesses, willingness to forgive more important than willingness to take offense and love more important than hate. Well said, Jeri. Seems to me this would be a good way for the world to operate and a worthy goal for each individual. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: bbc Date: 28 Nov 02 - 12:58 PM Good post, Jeri. I agree. You are absolutely right that most of us like *some* of the BS & that we vary in which kinds we like & which we don't. Your post helped clarify that for me. I still find enough to keep me coming back & I value friends like you who I've met over Mudcat. Happy Thanksgiving, friend! best from NY, bbc |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST Date: 28 Nov 02 - 09:52 AM Iggyfolk was exposed for trolling, and yet still people insisted on carrying on about this bullshit. Iggyfolk successfully started a thread to bitch about one group of people gaining more prominence in the forum--people from Hull--and about them having a good time here discussing music in their area. The Hull folks aren't the problem in Mudcat. In fact, they are a refreshing change from the people Iggyfolk appealed to with this thread, who ARE the current problem here--the Mudcat Oldtimers, who have all had their say here. Trolls are trolls people. You were very successfully trolled by what appears to be one your former own. Iggyfolk came in and played the divide and conquer game, and those with self-control problems fell for it. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Fingerbuster Date: 28 Nov 02 - 09:11 AM What is the problem? No matter what, this is the BEST site on the web. Lighten up a bit for goodness (and your health's) sake. I second the comments in the previous message. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Jeri Date: 28 Nov 02 - 08:52 AM The funny thing is that while people may seem to be complaining about BS, what they're really complaining about is the BS they don't like. Someone may be really honked off by silly humor, but enjoy the political threads because they're Serios and Meaningful. Someone may not like the threads on politics, religion or any number of controversial and often contentious topics but are happy to read and contribute to the nice threads. Some people may say they don't like certain types of topics or sub-topics (playing with trolls, for instance), but they're in them constantly and I have to conclude that they DO really enjoy that sort of discussion. We do what we enjoy. If we feel like we get 'sucked into' discussions we don't like or later feel ashamed for having added to, we have no one to blame but ourselves. At some point, we either learn to self-censor by not clicking on thread titles we don't think we want to read, we censor the whole forum and leave. If we simply don't like seeing certain thread titles, never mind what's in them, it's a sensitization thing and it's something for individuals to deal with, not all of us. It's taken an awful lot of getting pissed off about things I can't change to come to that conclusion. It's taken me realizing I have control over ME and that's all I have control over. It's taken me realizing what pushes my buttons and how to recognize when one's being pushed. I'm here for what I like. If I ever leave, it will be because there's not enough of that - NOT because there's too much other stuff. I know it's smarmy, but even if I'm just talking the way I deal with the little things in my life, I've GOT to make kindness more important than anger, respect of people's strengths more important than disrespect for their weaknesses, willingness to forgive more important than willingness to take offense and love more important than hate. I've seen what the opposites can do to people. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: mooman Date: 28 Nov 02 - 07:52 AM Linda...please don't leave. You are a much valued asset here....at least by many of us. Roger...I didn't know you knew rude words like that! Richard |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 28 Nov 02 - 07:49 AM Well said Linda! A few days ago I considered leaving this forum for good myself, I had read a thread "global warming" where someone stated that the sooner Hull floods and we all drown here the better! I am also fed up of the endless arguments, many of which have nothing to do with folk music whatsoever, ie Northern Ireland, Israel, Iraq, etc, etc, I feel many of these are a waste of time and just cause bad feeling. It amazes abd saddens me that whilst a third of the worlds population don't know where their next meal is coming from, all we can do is argue about the content of a website.Hull is a music city, and nobody has to read about it! Don't bother replying directly to me anyone, as I am going to eat my dinner, then I am going to play some music.cheers.john |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,p.mitchell @new work Date: 28 Nov 02 - 07:49 AM I've been in the background for some time now. This BS stuff seems a cyclical issue mostly. However, I find also that the MudCat hasn't changed (although it looks great and is easier to use) as much as I have. I don't look into many BS threads. I've learnt to avoid stuff about Northern Ireland etc... and have also be pleased to have a place to share some thoughts, for example expressing my sympathy to the people affected by 9/11. i don't have many other places to do this other than the MudCat. I enjoy being around musicians and bodhran players ;-)and would humbly suggest that people don't leave, they just take a little break and pop back in without sending stuff to the BS threads for a while. I'll go hide again now. Paul |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Date: 28 Nov 02 - 07:18 AM I'm a newbie anyway, am a trad musician rather than a folkie, and have been absent or lurking for months, but I just want to get in to endorse the messages of support for Joe, and to thank all the people who have been helpful on MC. Admittedly I've often contributed to BS threads, either political or jokey ones where I feel I have something to contribute to the debate, but have still always respected basic decency and avoided invective. Just this once, I'll make an exception to the last comment and say that I wish the assholes would get the hell out of here. But unfortunately, life isn't like that. So don't feed 'em. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: KingBrilliant Date: 28 Nov 02 - 07:13 AM Linda - people that complain about the Hullers are probably just jealous. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: katlaughing Date: 28 Nov 02 - 07:08 AM Linda, please don't take the naysayers too seriously. They don't have to read the Hull threads and they've no reason to complain about the threads which have kept all those interested informed about the new music festival which you mention. I'd much rather see Hull in a thread title than Shatner, besides!*bg* It would be Mudcat's loss if we no longer had you as a member, as well as the other *folkers* from Hull.:-) kat |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Linda Kelly Date: 28 Nov 02 - 06:53 AM I have visited this site for some year's - with a previous handle of ickledorritt. Perhaps I am guilty along with Les from Hull and a few others of spreading the Mudcat name throughout Hull, and creating what to others seems to be a real problem here. That's a pity, since without exception the Mudcatters I come into contact with are incredible musicians and whereas some of the threads become slightly surreal, they more often or not are created to advertise and spread the word about live music in our area -in much the same way as Sorcha Dorcha did in past year's. God forbid if Dylan ever joined the site and started a bullshit thread or advertised his next concert-would we treat him the same as we treat some of the members of this forum? The result of this interaction as Roger de Beverley has said -was the formation of the Peoples Voice Festival which was a huge success.Is there more bullshit than before? -I don't think so -we have always had inflammatory (Northern Ireland) and daft threads and I thought of late there was less flaming rather than more. I am sorry to say but I am inclined like Bassic and others to give up on this forum because I find it with a few exceptions really quite insulting to me and my friends. That said anyone here would receive a huge welcome if they came to Hull!Please don't take this site too seriously - it's not the real world9. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Richie Date: 28 Nov 02 - 01:08 AM Hi, I'm a new member and have been doing folk research on mudcat for several months now. It's great to have a collective of intelligent souls (Jung's collective subconscious) to ferret out the details. I ignore all threads and posts I'm not interested in. I do think it's a shame to have good threads hurt by thread drift, trolling and personal attacks. The only problen I have is getting access. Usually I can get into the Discussion Forum several times a week. yesterday I couldn't get on at all. Tonight everything is peachy. This is really a great place, keep it up, -Richie |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,BK (cookies turned off) Date: 28 Nov 02 - 01:01 AM This became, perhaps predictably, what it disagrees with... I've been here @ MC since?? In the early 90's I got from Dick a copy of the DT on 5.25" floppies for my old DOS machine, before my internet days. I lurked a very long time, then began posting in 1997; It was, IMHO, dramatically better in the past. Still may be the best site on the web, but so full of BS that these days I rarely look for more than seconds - surprised that I bothered to even read this. the "GUEST" & Gargoyle slime is what caused it. Joe: keep up the good work; if the nasties aren't whining about you, you probably are falling behind. Cheers, BK |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Nov 02 - 11:36 PM FOLKS...as benevolent as Max appears....
..........the bottom line is...............he is a desperate.......................ride the wave ....................................dot....com........ER......................that was surfing..........only to find the wave turn to mush beneath with digital surf-board.........
DeltaBlues is a ghost image on the current web-face-screen...................
The domain is for sale.....................if anyone has a market.....................................................in the UnderWater........................department.......or Geometry.
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: harpgirl Date: 27 Nov 02 - 11:35 PM ...why thank you , Pat! Happy thanksgiving to you, too! HaHaHa...harpg |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Nov 02 - 11:31 PM I think this a GRAND idea - it is a stroke of genius.
Within the header of every internet message is the IP address...Max's can read them, Joe can read them....let the entire MudCat community read them....
The re-programing is a matter of three to five lines of simple code.
Go For It!!!
We will all anonymous...but no-one ... will be anonymous....
Sincerely,
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Ireland Date: 27 Nov 02 - 11:30 PM Sorry I forgot happy thanksgiving have a good weekend, lucky sods lol!! |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Ireland Date: 27 Nov 02 - 11:21 PM I've seen many forums which show the ip of it's members, I suppose Joe etc could block the offending ip from getting onto the site. Would Joe Max etc not have recourse against those who abuse their site so do such threats not go both ways, find the isp and get them to handle such bs and threats. After all such guests have had it made clear to them that they are not appreciated, so they rely more on the Mudcat for their existence than the other way round. So all the crap from guest is self deprecation, in the end people will either ignore them completely,( I use "them" due to the many personae one person displays, could that be schizophrenia?) or Joe,Max etc could use the option of blocking them, one off the many recourses which will end guests contribution for good or bad. Does the argument that "I contribute musically" make up for the disruption caused elsewhere. And are those who encourage such trolls by accepting their argument and agreeing with them being fooled into stoking the fire. How many times has guest been saying exactly what others want to hear,pure bs stirring. What I ask is should others think what is this person really at, their agenda,motives,sincerity before they give them legitimacy by supporting their argument? |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Nov 02 - 11:06 PM Well GUEST ....it has been a grand charade...but .........................................................it is time the Piper is paid................. ..........We have run.......IT ............................................... ...............................................................................................We have run it TWICE ............................................................. ......................................we have even bent over backwards and forwards ............................ ..........................................................................................and crammed, damned it through THRICE!!!!!................................................................. ................your identity will now be revealed...........by the glorious, unquivically demonic spirit of the darkest realms of the inner arm-socket-pits of the mudcat............. ................You are Me................. ..................AS........................... Come Together ....................................OVER MAX! Yes...folks the villan poster has been positively indentified as MAX himself...... |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Justa Picker Date: 27 Nov 02 - 10:52 PM You're my hero Doug! |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Nov 02 - 10:48 PM Damn Harpy, beat me to it!!! And I'm thankful for you too Harpy even if you do call me names..........ya' bitch! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Nov 02 - 10:46 PM Aw hell Dougie, I'll be thankful for you! Regardless of where we agree or disagree, I am always impressed by your gumption in saying whatever you think, taking on all comers, and emerging from it all with an obvious enjoyment and a smile. So I'll be thankful to have you this Thanksgiving and for many into the future.....I only wish that we could have you here in Ohio at our table with us for a talk and a few good hugs and some damn fine eatin'! So now your mission is to root for Ohio State when they show up in Tempe to play for the National Championship! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: harpgirl Date: 27 Nov 02 - 10:44 PM ...thank God for our token conservative! Hope someone feeds you tomorrow, Dougie! Love, the liberal you love to hate! Abby |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: DougR Date: 27 Nov 02 - 10:28 PM Well what about ME, Amos? You're not thankful for ME? :>) Happy Thanksgiving! DougR |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Amos Date: 27 Nov 02 - 08:33 PM You too, MMB! Bright voices like yours are one of the things I am thankful for around the 'Cat! A |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: mmb Date: 27 Nov 02 - 08:14 PM On this evening before the Thanksgiving Holiday here in the States, I am really thankful for Mudcat, and especially for this thread! I am a new-comer to Mudcat. Early in September my daughter (who lives in Manhattan) stumbled upon a reference to a weekly session at a Bluegrass Shop that turns out to be a 10-minute drive from where I'm living in Florida. She emailed me the link to the thread she'd discovered, but I didn't get to check out the session for a month or so, and forgot about Mudcat until the first week of October. So I'm about two months old on Mudcat. In this time, I 1. got directions to the Bluegrass Shop in St. Petersburg 2. re-connected with some former northern acquaintances by posting to a thread on Fox Hollow memories, 3. re-connected with some Helen Schneyer friends and fans by refreshing a thread on her that hadn't been active for some time, 4. received really useful suggestions in tracking down the origins of "I Bid You Goodnight," 5. discovered that 'Catters are as articulate and impassioned as they are diverse, whether the topic is "The Plural of You," serious disagreement on the character and treatment of the Travelling People, on either side of the Atlantic, cheering up members who've shared health concerns, and/or rejoicing in the sharing of good news, 6. got shot down a few times for not knowing enough to check the old threads before posting a question, 7. thought questions I'd posted were being ignored, 8. but learned from a couple patient members that "refresh" is a way to revive a thread that's gotten buried, 9. and learned here tonight a) why so many threads are buried in the list when traffic on just one or two other very popular threads crowds them out of view, b) giving newbies like me the impression our posts have been ignored, and c) pointing out how filtering can save time and the eyestrain of having to scan all the unwanted messages to look for the ones I want. I may not be able to visit as often as I'd like, but I think I'll hold on to my membership card for the foreseeable future. Happy Thanksgiving, fellow Americans, and a good weekend to all others! M. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:57 PM As people keep on saying, don't feed the trolls. In fact don't read them either is a good policy. Easier said than always done. Reading this thread I was skipping the anonymous GUEST ones - but then there were posts from people I wanted to read responding to posts I'd been avoiding reading, so I had to read a couple of them to understand what they were on about. I think what Big Mick said in his last post says whatever needs saying about that particular irrelevance. As for the decline from the Good Old Days - here is a link to the the time warp machine, which enables us to read old Mudcat pages from way back in the last millennium. And however far back you go, there are people writing posts about how it ain't what it used to be and the glory days are gone. Which may be true, but I'm a bit sceptical. Things change and people move on, and there are always relatively few diamonds in the dust and there are always swine ready to complain about the qualities of the pearls. And the best bullshit is pretty rare as well. But we've still got diamonds and pearls and prime quality BS enough to keep the place going, and in pretty good shape. Thanks to the people who keep it that way - Max and Joe and Jeff, for doing the work (and of course Dick and Susan for the DT, which is at the heart of it all), but also the regulars who keep it alive and wholesome. Not perfect (and nothing ever is), but healthy. And if I mentioned names I'd leave out others who also play a vital part in achieving this - as well as in the process inviting crass comments about Gangs of Twelve and Cliques. So thanks to the people who deserve thanking, which is the large majority of people posting regularly. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,Richard Bridge (cookie and format C) Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:52 PM Oops. and 2. I am quite disturbed that Joe should be so critical of the PEL threads. It is vital to the survival of folk music and dance in England and Wales that the new regime does not become law as presently drafted. The more people read about it, the more people can do something like write to the goverment and who knows, maybe one day our governemnt will listen. It's the only way to affect the law other than unaffordable test litigation or a revolution AND a third thing. GUEST - I've always posted my real name even when I am upsetting people (well, apart from a long unused handle I used to use to keep worthwhile threads going) adn have even posted my address. Come out from behind your sheet. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST,Richard Bridge (cookie and format C) Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:46 PM I could go on (andon) but 1. I think the light touch Joe shows on censorship is admirable. 2. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:42 PM Me too Gareth. And to the USians, a happy t'day, and to everyone else, have a damn fine Thursday, I'll raise a glass to you all. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Gareth Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:36 PM Well I'am happy. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:24 PM We're still waiting for that explanation you promised to provide of the difference between stealing MP3s and stealing lyrics from the DT in the Napster thread, Big Mick. Kiss kiss. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 27 Nov 02 - 06:09 PM Grumble, grumble, grumble, murmur, murmur, murmur. Where have I heard all of this before? No Spaw (if you ever read your way all the way down here, you never said, "We've Alreaddddy discusssed that." Think I'll go back and read some more interesting threads.. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST Date: 27 Nov 02 - 05:53 PM Easy there boys. I was just showing Rapaire's threats for the bogus bullshit they are. There are obviously just as many nasty consequences for those site owners/maintainers who "do damage" to their website users, both legal and illegal, as there are for users whose personal information is in the hands of unethical and unscrupulous website owners. So Rapaire, maybe you ought to just stay out of it, and quit threatening anonymous guests, eh? |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Big Mick Date: 27 Nov 02 - 05:51 PM Got an issue with having the last word? You are scaring no one. But go ahead, get the last word..........c'mon, you know you want to. Time to get out of this one and let you talk to yourself. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: GUEST Date: 27 Nov 02 - 05:44 PM 1. Invasion of Privacy Torts The modern common law of privacy finds its roots in four distinct causes of action for invasion of privacy: (1) appropriation of the plaintiff's name or likeness for commercial benefit; (2) unreasonable intrusion with a plaintiff's interest in solitude or seclusion; (3) public disclosure of private facts; and (4) publicity which places the plaintiff in a false light.[39] These common law torts provide for money damages, occasionally special damages, and often injunctive relief.[40] However, not all states recognize these causes of action. Additionally, where confidential information is disclosed or disseminated, many courts have found that plaintiffs must prove that the information was widely disclosed in order to prevail.[41] The imposition of liability under these theories therefore usually requires publication or widespread disclosure of personal or confidential information. The tort of invasion of privacy torts does not generally provide the broad level of privacy protection consumers seek against the unauthorized collection, storage, or dissemination of personal information on the Internet. However, the tort of unreasonable intrusion upon another's seclusion or private affairs could apply to Web site operators and information providers who collect personal information but who either do not provide adequate notice about how such information will be used or who use the information in an unauthorized manner. |
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Subject: RE: A Sincere Plea to Mudcat Oldtimers From: Big Mick Date: 27 Nov 02 - 05:40 PM Yes, s/he does. And show's his/her true colors in that last post. It shows you exactly where that poor excuse for a mind is. Peace Matriot/ladies against war/etc. always tries to come off as superior, more knowledgeable, more committed, blah, blah,blah. But with that last post you see exactly where this transcybergendered troll really comes from. I have seen it at work over and over. This is a person with a real crisis of personality. Now the conspiracy shit will start. I have said it before. You need professional help. I sincerely hope you get it. Mick |
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