BS: Is Obama a Fascist?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 02:32 PM

'Beauty, as well as ugly, is in the eye of the beholder'!!

Maybe it just slipped your memory....it happens.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 12:18 PM

Thanks for telling us we are stupid. Again.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 11:06 AM

Shorter version.....'Captive Regulations' are the 'regulations' that the writers ARE the people being 'regulated' in conjunction with whatever government they are writing it with...making sure that the hen-house is guarded by the correct foxes. It helps keep 'other foxes' from gaining access, and exerts the maximum security for their own brood. It is marketed to the people of being some wonderful, visionary necessity for the people's own 'safety', and publicized as being either 'right' or 'left'....Whether Obama or Nixon is seen as a 'Fascist' or not, is virtually irrelevant! It's all the same thing.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 04:33 AM

.........and that was the VERY short version!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 04:19 AM

Oh, I know!...I'm not a political cat...but suppressed? Yeppers..probably because I'm NOT a political cat....I'm just not as crazy as some of the obsessed, rabid wannabes on here(or for that matter, not in here). If there is one thing that is a complete waste of anyone's time and talents, is trying to find a solution for a lie...and boy!..are there a bunch on here who have been lied to for so long, they couldn't even recognize the truth, even if they hadn't noticed that they've exhausted themselves, by making all sorts of 'spun' excuses for 'their' party's failed bullshit! You just can't explain it all away, without chasing your own tail(talk about spinning!!)

As to Ebbie,(sorry, I didn't do this before, but it's been a long week!)

Ebbie: "OK, let's put it in context. Like most of us, I imagine, I listened to the pre-Superbowl O'Reilly/Obama interview. I knew in what context the President said it but I had to look up the transcript for it.

President Obama was referring to the fond belief the Republicans hold close that the President is "the most liberal US president ever", even though the facts don't even come close to supporting that view."

True.(But that's only because the Republicans, like the Democrats, are told what to think)

"President Nixon is believed by the Republicans to have been an acceptably conservative president- I have heard it said that no other president in modern times could have gone to China as he did to proffer an olive branch. It was a very LIBERAL act."

Actually Prescott Bush had been working that angle since the '50's..and a 'liberal act'?..more like NWO/bankster/multinational corporate business, but for the sake of your point, I don't see why you say it was 'liberal'. Nixon was touted as being a 'true statesman' at the time, (remember?)

"As President Obama said in the interview, President Nixon proposed and passed a number of issues and laws, like the EPA (which the Republicans currently loathe) and set in motion a lot of regulations that affect our air and water even today. To the good. Those were LIBERAL acts."

OK...This is the bit of slight of hand, liberal or not, who knows?
Today, it is seen as 'liberal'..but in reality, if China was going to be developing as a 'player' in the International Conglomerate, they needed to be able to 'control its growth or progress'. Keeping in mind, that this wasn't as much of an American project, as it was an 'economic leveraging'. To do that, instead of anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws, they needed an International Regulatory Body of 'regulations'....now here's the trick that sly bastards have been using, (and you can look this up) It's called 'Captive Regulations' an example ...What it is, is that to control the interests of the Global money controllers, 'regulations' are formed and stacked to control the markets, to protect the Bankster profiteers, and to control virtually EVERYTHING, while circumnavigating the laws of any given country. In other words, they lock everyone else out of the game they're playing! A common one is INSURANCE! 'Environmental' issues..(which have NOTHING to do with the 'environment',BTW...that rap is the one they use to 'sell it'.....however, the environment is important....just not why they 'regulate'.
If you're a 'liberal' you would be concerned about the environment, of course, but if you're a Global venture capitalist, you don't want anyone else developing the way YOU did(or even better)...hence, they merge regulations to insure that.....and always in their favor, not the people's!
Another stellar example, Kissinger, 1979 makes a deal with the Saudis, we buy their oil, they buy our Treasury notes and we agree not to drill here....but we are told by the Carter Administration that our domestic drilling was halted for environmental reasons. The 'liberals' think they have won an environmental issue...the 'conservatives' get pissed at the 'environmental wackos'..but it had NOTHING to do with environmentalists...but they take the rap for all the new 'regulations'....meanwhile hostilities grow between the 'conservatives' and the 'liberals' over it...the domestic oil companies are pissed and restricted....and blame the 'environmentalists'....but there is nothing they can do about it, because of the 'captive regulations'....enacted to protect the interests of the global bankers. When the time is of their choosing, those 'regulations' will be lifted...but not before the Mideast, is so disrupted, that 'we' HAVE to drill here...that way the treaty with the Mideast is broken, but it was pre-planned all along to rip them off, (for the advantage of the banksters)....America 'gets' to drill, the notes don't get paid back, because the 'agreement' was made to the former Saudi government. As I've said before, (for a couple of years) two governments have yet to be disrupted..Jordan and the Saudis...which we will see happen...when it happens, just remember that you heard it first here on Mudcat, of all places!!


"President Obama, on the other hand, has not been able to pass many or even most of his liberal desires, due to the very same people who allowed President Nixon to get away with it."

RIGHT!!!...but it's not who you think it is. It's not the 'conservatives', it's not the Republicans....the two parties are working together at the behest of the global banksters...who also own the media(s), and who also control the national dialogue. Not only can Obama NOT pass what YOU THINK are his 'liberal desires' he is also passing the desires of the banksters...under the guise of 'liberalism', just the same way the 'conservatives' are ALLOWED to pass (or not pass), their stated 'ideological agendas'.
Haven't you noticed that their positions 'change' once the 'other party' gains 'control(?) of the Administrations??? What they were AGAINST, their suddenly FOR, once the parties shift???
Listen to Obama's speeches BEFORE he was President, and compare them with his actions, once he was in office. No difference than the guy he replaced! Listen to him say how Bush's deficits were 'obscene' then run up multiples of it!...Listen to him jump on Bush for Bush's power grab for 'Executive Orders'...then go hog-wild, doing the same.
Forget that you voted for a 'black liberal' ......that's for appealing to the 'need for change'....when in fact, it's the same old shit!.......and speaking of payoffs, look at ALL the 'bailouts' and stimulus monies, and what do we have to show for it???? Every one of them was money thrown away!! Stimulus jobs??????...Where??....green energy grants??...everyone of them kaput!....Obamacare??...money for the insurance companies, INCLUDING bailout money for them...BUT NOT FOR THE PATIENTS.....and meanwhile the noose tightens for the common citizen.
What is there not to understand?? It's happening every day that we live...and yet STILL, the media has the public fooled that it is a Conservative/Liberal clash and tug of war!!
Want another simple example?....in Vietnam, the 'war' was prolonged to accommodate the heroin trade from the 'Golden Triangle', and the shipment of arms to the Shah of Iran....then the public turned against the war....(The Democrats co-opted the 'Peace Movement' while pandering to the drug use)....so we got out of Vietnam and went where?..Central America..which just so happened to be gushing with cocaine and pot, which just co-incidentally became a VERY lucrative enterprise, for the same people who ran the Vietnam operation....now, we're back to heroin.....which happens to be Afghanistan's biggest export....hmm..how'd that happen...another 'co-incidence'??
Colonel Oliver North testified before the House, (Iran/Contra hearings) that the lucrative drug business, is what won the economic war with the Soviets....it sure must have been a massive amounts of bread to pull that off!!!...and it is...and just like Reagan's Administration, this one is STILL supplying guns to the cartels, though they got a flimsy rap to 'justify it'......and the beat goes on!
Now to answer 'Guest's' question to me about what I meant by the 'so-called liberal agenda'......the truth is, there is none!..just like there is no 'conservative agenda'.....that's only for us peons to haggle over. did Bush 'restore dignity' to the White House??...Did we all get our 'Hope and Change'??
What we got, between the two of them(and not just limited to those two), is our national wealth drained....and our military being used as a mercenary force for the banksters....(under the guise of 'patriotism', of course)....and of course, perfectly well meaning people fighting with each other's alleged 'thinking'(as witnessed on here!)
the truth is, when the big banks compete, lot's of people die....and we don't even get the truth about that, either!!

G'Night..love ya'...write some wonderful music, that warms the heart, and brings to memory who we REALLY are!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 06:20 PM

GfS you are not being politically suppressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 05:45 PM

Political suppression to keep people uninformed IS stupid! Politics uses the divide to allow certain facts to come out, to each of their followings, and keep people stupid, in regards to the WHOLE picture....so would it suffice to say, that partisan politics, is the method of keeping people HALF-stupid?...only telling them what you WANT them to hear, to support one side or the other?
Just look at all the name calling, and attempts to discredit people on here, as a method of avoiding the WHOLE picture.
Do you call that 'wisdom'??????....Do you call that 'intellectual honesty'??..Do you call that 'maturity'???....Do you call that putting forth a 'better idea'????.....or just people reaching the limits of their indoctrinations, while knowing not HOW to think, and substituting that with being indoctrinated as to WHAT to think???...and when they run out of 'ready made talking point answers' they resort to name calling and immature name calling???
Shit..You're the one wanting to 'moderate'...can't you tell the difference?
To get into this further, I need to reply to Ebbie...there are some things in there that might open some eyeballs. After all, it was Obama's statement that, "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was".....and he either was correct or not correct....beauty, as well as ugly, is in the eyes of the beholder. When it runs cross-grain to what 'liberals' or conservatives, THOUGHT, maybe it's time to RE-CONSIDER your positions, and find out what HE meant. To me, the explanation is perfectly clear....all you have to do is consider WHO he is working for, and why!
....and not swallow the talking points, as to why, if he was so 'liberal' did he funnel the healthcare through private insurance companies, instead of a straight government funded program...and on top of that, provide a bailout for the insurance companies....and NOT for the people needing healthcare!!!...and it's NOT because the Republicans stood in the way(that's a bullshit talking point) When Obamacare was passed the Democrats had the Presidency, the Senate, and the House of 'Representatives'....so ANYONE who uses that B.S. rap, doesn't know shit from Shinola...and is willfully deceiving people...and that is STUPID!...wouldn't you agree??
As i pointed out before, people will try to make the best decisions based on the information given to them....if they are deceived, that doesn't make them 'evil'..it only means that they were trying to do the best, but with bad information....it is the DECEIVERS, who know they are deceiving, who are practicing evil! ..Once a person gets good info, then hopefully they will continue on to make the best decisions, as they were, but this time getting accurate info.
Those who think they are so 'clever' for their ability to spin the truth, just to bolster their deceptions, OR faulty positions, should be viewed with EXTREME skepticism, both for their morals AND integrity!.....Ya' think ???!! ....and if they persist, Maybe even tarred and feathered, and run out of town on a rail, like some fast-talking snake oil salesman.
Unfortunately our political system is in shambles....not because of Obama or Bush(es), Clinton(s), Nixon, Ford, Carter etc etc but what and who they represent, and why. I fault any of them with not leveling with us, the people....and I don't give a tinker's damn about what fucking party they are pretending to represent.

....but how could you be stupid??.....You knew that all along, didn't you?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 02:59 PM

GfS,

I'm sure it is not about political suppression. I think it about you treating other people as if they are stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 02:56 PM

JtS: "What did you learn?"

Nothing....I was hoping that those who blocked, might someday flash that suppression of the truth, or at least healthy discussion, is indicative that their position is one of suppression, and suppression, history has shown us, just plain doesn't work!
When time plays out its course, truth is going to win out EVERY time. Those who see it first, are the ones who get suppressed by those who have a TEMPORARY remedial agenda....to fix the last TEMPORARY remedial agenda, that was a con job to begin with!..that's why they want to suppress the truth!

Ebbie, I'll get to yours, still.....you might not like it at first, until you see what's been up with our two party bullshit artists!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 02:02 PM

Oops ... Please feel free to delete my last two posts on this thread, including this one, if you can.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 02:00 PM

Sorry you were blocked GfS.

What did you learn?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 03:13 AM

Well, I'm finally 'unblocked' out....it happened after this one:

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 10:09 PM

"The 'Other Guest'(who is too insecure to use his own 'identity')...:
"Jesus H Christ!
Can nobody shut these fucking imbeciles up?"

Yeah!! Try giving an intelligent response, instead of all the juvenile cat calling and objections, to being asked to comment on your actual position, based on information and not emotional immaturity.
(BTW, that's what public forums are for!...aren't they???

I think even SRS MIGHT even agree."

...and YES I was blocked out, for a few days.....It's the second time.

.................................................................

OK!... That being said, the ONLY intelligent response to my quote from Obama, came from Ebbie, which I'll respond to, but not tonight...(too tired).

..........................................

As to 'Great Folk Songs' being a 'co-incidence'.....I was there when he was typing it, being as I answered his question to, "Are you still writing on that forum?".....from a bass player of whom we've been jamming with. I explained it, and he took a look, and could not believe that I was 'blocked out', for my last post.
I just smiled, and said, "Figures, These guys aren't thinking things through very far."
So he proceeded to get his post in.....we mused with the name for the 'poster'...so whichever 'Guest' commented, was half-way correct.
I wondered if someone would catch it....ideologues are great at picking up on little stuff....while not having a clue on the big, very obvious.....but I'll get into that in my response to Ebbie. (Good reply, BTW, Ebbie!)

Later!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 02:13 AM

It is difficult to combat someone with a hood over his face. Don't bother, JtS.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 11:19 PM

Wow Guest, you are really itching for a fight with me aren't you?

:-)


I think I'll not match your stupidity by responding in kind.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 08:54 AM

Don't confuse stupidity with fascism, SW. They can be one and the same thing, but not in Jack's case.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 08:51 AM

I agree with GUEST and Big Al. Calling me a fascist is disrespectful to the people who lost their lives. Calling the President a fascist is just stupid. But of course all you are doing is saying stupid things to get a reaction. No one is going to pay attention to your silly hatred, if it is presented reasonably. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 08:37 AM

JtS is not a fascist. Stop using terms you don't understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 03:40 AM

lets put it another way songwronger.....

you are pissing on the memory of our sacred dead who gave their lives to fight fascism, by using fascist as a term of abuse for a politician whom you don't like much.

that's why your messages stick in the craw of many of us of a certain age.

why don't you go another site where talk of democrooks and other forms of cheap abuse are general tenor of conversation .. yahoo has a lot of them - start at the jazz page, which is riddled with fourteen year old twerps parroting what their dumb parents tell them, you would be a mental giant amongst that lot.....a spiritual leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 10:21 PM

Your attempts to suppress criticism of Obama are fascist, Jack. Should I call him Soetoro? Isn't that one of the names on one of his birth certificates?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 09:01 PM

Spare us please oh cowardly poster.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 07:21 PM

Spare us all, please O honorary moderator.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 02:56 PM

We have two ongoing threads which rudely invoke the President's last name whose opening posts echo the theme "Songwonger hates President" which have no posts at all that didn't concern the relative degrees of stupidity of the opening poster, GfS or one or more of the people arguing with them. Since one post now is discussing GfS's faults with sidebars, into SW's fault and the other is about SW's faults with forays into complaining about GfS, wouldn't it be simpler if the threads were combined at this point?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 02:49 PM

"It could be that he has multiple personality disorder. "

I can't think of anything more unkind than to come on this forum than to anonymously claim that a poster has a mental disorder. This is made worse by the fact the the chosen names of the poster and the subject of the post strongly imply that neither are sane.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:24 AM

Guest from sanity
Great folk songs

Coincidence?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 10:08 AM

So now we can add Great Folk Songs to the bullshitter list.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 09:44 AM

The quote is in this thread five times, and I see no evidence of him being blocked. I think there might be health issues?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 09:39 AM

WTF has GfS been blocked?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 02:22 AM

OK, let's put it in context. Like most of us, I imagine, I listened to the pre-Superbowl O'Reilly/Obama interview. I knew in what context the President said it but I had to look up the transcript for it.

President Obama was referring to the fond belief the Republicans hold close that the President is "the most liberal US president ever", even though the facts don't even come close to supporting that view.

President Nixon is believed by the Republicans to have been an acceptably conservative president- I have heard it said that no other president in modern times could have gone to China as he did to proffer an olive branch. It was a very LIBERAL act.

As President Obama said in the interview, President Nixon proposed and passed a number of issues and laws, like the EPA (which the Republicans currently loathe) and set in motion a lot of regulations that affect our air and water even today. To the good. Those were LIBERAL acts.

President Obama, on the other hand, has not been able to pass many or even most of his liberal desires, due to the very same people who allowed President Nixon to get away with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Great Folk Songs
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 11:32 PM

So I'll ask it for him, again.
"In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said.

Do you think he is right? wrong? or Do you think he doesn't know what he is talking about?

Great Folk Songs

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Great Folk Songs
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 11:26 PM

"No one here is trying to suppress dissent, SW, so you may as well get off that bus, because it's going nowhere."

That's an up-front hypocritical lie!

GfS has been blocked again for nothing, except his direct quote from Obama, and he asked for an explanation, and instead of answering him, he got blocked out!...Again!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Elmore
Date: 12 Feb 14 - 03:57 PM

SW has no shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Feb 14 - 03:53 PM

From: Songwronger - PM
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 11:43 PM


"Silly River Sage"

If you click on the "membership" page you will find the following.

You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative, snooty, or either FOR or AGAINST that of-what-we-do-not-speak.

It is not your dissent I object to. It is your rudeness. You can't get anyone to pay the amount of attention to you that you want without provoking people and disrespecting the Office of the President. Be ashamed sir. Be ashamed!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Elmore
Date: 12 Feb 14 - 12:34 PM

The President has not abandoned the Democrats to join the Fascist Party. However our Governor, Nathan Deal abandoned the Democrats and joined the Republicans. (in 1995)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Feb 14 - 12:26 AM

No one here is trying to suppress dissent, SW, so you may as well get off that bus, because it's going nowhere.

The fact is that your posts reek with such irrational hatred for Barack Obama, the duly and legally elected President of the United States, that you are grossly insulting the majority of the American electorate. You can't expect people NOT to hold the opinion that you are way out of line.

Go ahead and cut-and-paste every article and blog that you can find by other Obama haters, but just remember, freedom of speech goes both ways. People have every right to regard you—and for that matter—call you—a disgusting hate-monger.

The only Fascist I see here is the person who keeps repeating the doctrine of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas, who would lynch the President if they could get their hands on him.

Have at it, Songwronger. You are committing suicide with the same weapon the the Bible tells us Samson used to slay 1,000 Philistines.

If you don't know what I'm talking about look it up.

You're perfectly free to say any stupid thing you want to. But other people are also free to jeer at your asininities.

Or to put in more simply, if you can't stand the heat, don't sit on the barbeque.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 11:43 PM

A large component of fascism is suppression of dissent. Witness Troubadour, Jack the Sailor and Silly River Sage lamenting that dissenting opinion can be expressed here. All I contend is that Obama talks socialist but acts fascist. It's easy to see, IF you're not blinded by partisan propaganda. Obama says he's on the side of working people and the weak, yet he gives money to the elite and the strong.

Fascism is bad. You're supposed to be tolerant, mudcat, not thuggish. Put away your fascist rhetoric and prejudices.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 06:27 PM

"I think even SRS MIGHT even agree."

SRS is far too intelligent to fall for SW's bullshit hate speeches or your hysterical and incoherent crap.

The forgetful GUEST was me, as pointed out by a helpful elf, and I don't apologise for one single word of my disgust at the ranting nonsense spouted by the two of you.

You both belong in a nice safe padded room where you can't harm yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 03:52 PM

Many of them work very hard, often risking their lives, as lab assistants.

Damn right! Lot more than a great many humans do.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 02:18 PM

My apologies to the rats. Many of them work very hard, often risking their lives, as lab assistants.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 02:06 PM

Hey, lay off the rats, Don. They're really noble little critters.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 01:39 PM

No, JtS. All I need to do is come out of the house and as soon as it sees me, it starts to bark. He's only about the size of a hairy little rat, but he thinks he's the Hound of the Baskervilles.

It would be kind of funny if it weren't also a bit sad.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 12:07 PM

Don,   Do you try to shut the terrier up by giving it treats whenever it barks?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 01:42 AM

Not an insult, by the way. Just a simple, straightforward fact.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 01:40 AM

There have been plenty of intelligent responses to the subject of this thread, but there are those who seem incapable of grasping them. So why should one keep trying when those who keep demanding intelligent responses don't even recognize them?

Same as my neighbor's yappy little Yorkshire terrier.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 10:09 PM

The 'Other Guest'(who is too insecure to use his own 'identity')...:
"Jesus H Christ!
Can nobody shut these fucking imbeciles up?"

Yeah!! Try giving an intelligent response, instead of all the juvenile cat calling and objections, to being asked to comment on your actual position, based on information and not emotional immaturity.
(BTW, that's what public forums are for!...aren't they???

I think even SRS MIGHT even agree.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Elmore
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 09:05 PM

SW: the President is not a fascist, but Howie Rich is a right wing loon, and a tool for the iniquitous DICK Army. .

r

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 07:25 PM

Hmm. Apparently not.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 06:54 PM

Another interesting article, which quotes from Sowell's column:

Barack Obama: Socialist or Nouveau Fascist?

...So if Obama isn't a socialist, what is he? Economically speaking it's far more accurate to say that he is a fascist -- a supporter of dirigisme, in which government manages the economy through central planning, not collective ownership. Fascism did not seek to stamp out the innovative, wealth-creating potential of profit-seeking investment and entrepreneurship - instead it sought to channel those innovations (and funnel that wealth) to the good of the state.

"In fascist Italy the state pays for the blunders of private enterprise," Italian social critic Gaetano Salvemini wrote in the mid-1930s.

When business was good, "profit remained to private initiative." However when downturns came (as they inevitably do), "the government added the loss to the taxpayer's burden."

"Profit is private and individual," Salvemini wrote. "Loss is public and social."

This is the basis of fascism's "third way" between laissez-faire capitalism and Marxism. It's also precisely the economic system we see at work in America today, a centralized bureaucratic oligarchy in which farm subsidies, investments in "green jobs," Wall Street bailouts, Export-Import Bank subsidies and numerous other taxpayer-funded incentives manipulate the market to serve specific political purposes.

Obviously the fascist analogy isn't perfect. Unlike Obama, fascists abhorred class warfare (and labor's efforts to foment it) because such societal divisions ran counter to their nationalist ideology. And while fascist economic policies can certainly perpetuate the redistribution of wealth, they also tend to create powerful privileged elites that leverage tax dollars and political favors so as to manipulate the market in their favor.

So is Obama's brand of 21st century socialism/ nouveau fascism really "more insidious" than pure socialism, as Sowell suggests? Yes, because unlike socialism - the public sector never "takes a loss," as the recent bureaucratic bailouts made clear.

Also consider this: Is any property really "private" if the government can take it based on little more than a whim? And is any sector of the economy really "private" as long as government can swoop in and set its prices and production quotas? And finally, is any market truly "free" if government can compel citizens to make specific purchases?

Of course not -- all of which makes Obama's ideology dangerous no matter what label we slap on it.

http://spectator.org/articles/35250/barack-obama-socialist-or-nouveau-fascist

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 06:45 PM

Jesus H Christ!

Can nobody shut these fucking imbeciles up?

[troubedor]

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 06:38 PM

Still no facts!...
here, work on this one, being as you all glossed over it!:
"In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said.

Now choke on your talking point pablum...at least you got a free toy in the box!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 06:34 PM

It's the only social life he's got, Jack. . . .

Don Firth