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BS: Is Obama a Fascist?

Jack the Sailor 10 Feb 14 - 06:06 PM
Don Firth 10 Feb 14 - 06:04 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Feb 14 - 05:40 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Feb 14 - 12:52 AM
GUEST 09 Feb 14 - 07:02 PM
Songwronger 09 Feb 14 - 06:25 PM
Jack the Sailor 09 Feb 14 - 01:32 PM
Jeri 09 Feb 14 - 12:57 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Feb 14 - 12:21 PM
Jack the Sailor 09 Feb 14 - 11:57 AM
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GUEST 09 Feb 14 - 10:16 AM
Jack the Sailor 09 Feb 14 - 10:09 AM
Elmore 09 Feb 14 - 09:29 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Feb 14 - 02:21 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Feb 14 - 02:11 AM
GUEST 09 Feb 14 - 01:37 AM
Don Firth 08 Feb 14 - 11:15 PM
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Jack the Sailor 08 Feb 14 - 07:28 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 06:06 PM

Keeping the thread going eh GfS?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 06:04 PM

Too busy accomplishing things in the REAL, FACTUAL world to waste time with--

No, however well deserved, I won't say it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 05:40 PM

Hmmm...No countering facts....I guess not only did they run out of nasty names to call people who disagree and produce FACTS, they must have run out of childish names.
Says a lot for their mental capacities!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 12:52 AM

Thanks for clearing that up...Sometimes we have been not altogether agreed on everything, but the second one seemed out of character for you. I'm sure Little Hawk would have dug it.
Hey, have you seen or heard of him, lately?

As far as the others, more nasty name calling and inferences, but not a single countering FACT.

Says a lot about the intellect of emotionally charged partisan parrots.
Now if only you could harness the angst, and make it come out through your music.

Works for me!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 07:02 PM

From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:35 AM

That one was me, GfS. I have no idea who the other one was from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 06:25 PM

Continuing with the column mentioned above:

...Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely -- and correctly -- regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as one of their own during the 1920s.

Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left.

It was in the 1930s, when ugly internal and international actions by Hitler and Mussolini repelled the world, that the left distanced themselves from fascism and its Nazi offshoot -- and verbally transferred these totalitarian dictatorships to the right, saddling their opponents with these pariahs.

What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people -- like themselves -- need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat.

The left's vision is not only a vision of the world, but also a vision of themselves, as superior beings pursuing superior ends. In the United States, however, this vision conflicts with a Constitution that begins, "We the People..."

That is why the left has for more than a century been trying to get the Constitution's limitations on government loosened or evaded by judges' new interpretations, based on notions of "a living Constitution" that will take decisions out of the hands of "We the People," and transfer those decisions to our betters.

The self-flattery of the vision of the left also gives its true believers a huge ego stake in that vision, which means that mere facts are unlikely to make them reconsider, regardless of what evidence piles up against the vision of the left, and regardless of its disastrous consequences.

Only our own awareness of the huge stakes involved can save us from the rampaging presumptions of our betters, whether they are called socialists or fascists. So long as we buy their heady rhetoric, we are selling our birthright of freedom.

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 01:32 PM

LOL!! Good one! I'm not sure that GfS's opinion can be "aimed" I think of his writing more as a manure spreader than a rifle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 12:57 PM

It's a bitch when you have to respond based on what a person wrote, ain't it? Especially when you're used to focusing on a name to aim your hatred at.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 12:21 PM

Cappy Jack: "How is GUEST getting a pass on what I just pointed out?"


I like 'Guest'.....(assuming that 'Guest' is B.M.)...that being said, how does this make sense?: His last two posts.....

From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:35 AM

"GfS: When you write a thoughtful post without all the !!!!!!!! and CAPSLOCK, you do a darned good job.

As for Ake, he's probably just getting up. Good morning, sunshine :-)"

...and then this turn around:

From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 01:37 AM

"These ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.) Have really made a formerly fun and stimulating place hideously distasteful. Sad thing is they know it."

Makes sense to you, I suppose!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 11:57 AM

GfS, Does it come as news to you to hear that you are often very impolite? Take it down a few notches please.

Also...

How is GUEST getting a pass on what I just pointed out?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 11:29 AM

Cappy Jack: "What about this kind of talk? "ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.)"

Well, if it comes from the 'so-called liberals' it gets a pass.

That's one of the problems with when intellectual dishonesty meets biased control.

Simple as that.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 10:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJPrRaXU4U0

Some songs just hit the nail . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 10:09 AM

>>These ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.) Have really made a formerly fun and stimulating place hideously distasteful. Sad thing is they know it. <<

They are part of the problem.


What about this kind of talk? "ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.)"


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Elmore
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 09:29 AM

Breaking News. Obama Still Not a Fascist. Details at 11.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 02:21 AM

No, Guest, we haven't, but sometimes the truth doesn't play sides. The guys who are making polarization a bummer, make their living off of it. If you've read much of my posts, I've never believed in them.
If your read the papers and followed the 'news', I imagine it's getting harder for you to believe them too.

As I've said a few times on here, "Snap now, and avoid the rush!"

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 02:11 AM

Love Rowan!! Great pic!

Glad to see your contributing to the topic's discussion.

Don't get your nose bent, because your favored President isn't what he presented himself to the propagandized media outlets. It happens quite regularly.

Meanwhile, the corporate/government/banksters keep hittin' us with a right and a left...and while you root for your 'side' to win, it never does, just partly....then they hand off to the 'other side'..while THEIR agenda marches forward.

Still think Obama won't approve the Keystone pipeline?...Maybe he'll 'work out a deal'(rolls eyes), to keep Obamacare, in 'trade' for the pipeline....that way the corporate insurers will make a bunch of money, the government will have and exhaustive profile of everybody, and tighter controls on them, and the pipeline will be sold to the public as a 'practical solution' to afford Obamacare!...Meanwhile, no real socialized healthcare, oil companies are happy, we would export 60% of the oil, in accordance with NAFTA, and then you can vote for more 'Hope and Change', and root for your side.....and even get yourself to believe that the politicians are really representing you....and me...and everybody who 'voted' for them.

Hey, do you think before the Keystone pipeline gets approved, the President will know exactly when to move his investments to oil??

Talk about 'income inequality'!!!....That's for public consumption, not a moral code that any of them are living by!

Just remember my rap about being in the ring with the boxer. 'Conservative' and 'Liberal' agendas...?
As far as they are concerned, they don't exist....(which should answer 'Guest's' question to me, about 'the 'so-called liberal agenda')...there is none...but it make a great excuse.
Under Bush, they worked the 'patriotism' charade to the 'Conservatives'...Obama worked the 'social justice' rap to the liberals....and it worked...after all, he was a black 'community organizer', so he MUST(?) know and care about that, right??....(rolls eyes)...

Anyway, have a pleasant delusion...should be a lot of fun, complete with insane anxieties, and more hoping for change, and rooting for your 'side'(?)

As for me...I'm just gonna' keep working on the music...if I want 'Hope and Change', I'll buy a three dollar lottery ticket with a five dollar bill!

Besides, working on the music helps to keep you objective...............and helps with keeping you free.

GfS

P.S. And remember, "In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 01:37 AM

These ignorant assholes (GFS, Shitwringer, etc.) Have really made a formerly fun and stimulating place hideously distasteful. Sad thing is they know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:15 PM

CLICKY

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 07:41 PM

Except Codi is a bit smarter, and Hilary tries to be more cunning...but represent blacks or women????
(There is none on a dollar bill!).

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 07:36 PM

Will someone tell the 'liberals' that Obama is a front man for the corporations and banksters....Oh yeah, I almost forgot, he's black, right, so he must be for the poor under-trodden...and now the libs need a woman..a black woman...ho about Condoleeza Rice??!!?? Now you can get one over on the Hilary crowd!...but really......same difference!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 07:28 PM

Would someone tell the Tea Party they are supporting the Aristocracy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 07:28 PM

Even a turkey?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 07:17 PM

Right, Jack.

And with all due respect to James Baldwin (assuming that he actually said that), Right Wing and Left Wing have nothing to do with birds.

In the States General in France in the late eighteenth century, leading up to the French Revolution. From Wikipedia:
" The terms "Left" and "Right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.

One deputy, the Baron de Gauville explained, "We began to recognize each other: those who were loyal to the king and the aristocracy took up positions to the right of the chairman, leaving the seats to the left to the deputies representing the common people and the peasantry."

The modern press use the terms "left" and "right" to refer to the opposing sides, Liberal and Conservative."
Nothing to do with birds.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:28 PM

...or is that 'sense'?
...as in common sense...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:25 PM

Don,    What GfS is saying is nonsense just nonsense to provoke. Same as the title of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:20 PM

Calm down, Don...I was not claiming authorship for the whole post....just some...it's a parable that I posted before, matter of fact, and only posting a perspective closer to mine..

As far as, (Don): "Anyone who knows anything at all about Fascism knows that President Obama is not a Fascist"

...what HE said was, ""In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was."

Sorry he popped your bubble of delusion...don't you think HE knows what HE was talking about?

Maybe that puts my whole position in perspective...but to gain perspective, as in stereoscopic vision, you can't have the myopic use of 'one eye'....and a polarized notion of an individual ideology does just that!

As I've been saying for years on here now, as given to me by James Baldwin, "Left wing and right wing are on the same bird!"
....(and I even gave credit to the source, so you don't have to choke on your false teeth!)

GfS

P.S. How come it makes dense to everyone except the 'fencing crew'!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 03:00 PM

Anyone who knows anything at all about Fascism knows that President Obama is not a Fascist. Anyone who makes a claim like that flaunts his own ignorance of political science.

And those fleas that hop onto the back of anyone who makes that kind of claim are even more ignorant than the person who makes the assertion.

That's not a personal insult. That's a fact!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Elmore
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 02:52 PM

survey says no.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 01:58 PM

GUEST:   "GfS: When you write a thoughtful post without all the !!!!!!!! and CAPSLOCK, you do a darned good job."

Except for the fact that that story appears on several blogs and web sites on the internet, word for word. Goofus didn't write it.

It's "cut-and-paste."

Cute story. But people (most people, with certain exceptions) aren't pigs. The fact that you can easily anticipate where the story is going demonstrates that you wouldn't fall for the scam.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 12:18 PM

"the less intelligent posters will just stick to their ideological identities,"

You are saying that I am intelligent?

Rest assured, I am intelligent to know when someone is rudely trying t provoke me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 12:16 PM

I think that the title of the thread, (being as it is in the form of a question), can get by with the more intelligent of the posters..the less intelligent posters will just stick to their ideological identities, being as outside of their ideological identities, they don't have much else going on....wouldn't you say?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 12:00 PM

I find the title of this thread to be impolite. From the history of the opening poster, I think this is no accident. The title is meant to provoke a negative response and is therefor argumentative.

I really have no problem with the occasion attempt to provoke. But having a constant argumentative challenge in a thread title where everyone is forced to read it every day. Looking at the thesis of the opening post, perhaps a more polite thread title would be "My case for President (or Mr.) Obama being a Fascist"

Or perhaps this thread could be eventually combined with all of the other thread where the overall theme is "I hate President Obama" By Songwronger.

I am tired of this poster using loopholes in Joe Offer's unwritten rules of thread titles to troll this forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:35 AM

GfS: When you write a thoughtful post without all the !!!!!!!! and CAPSLOCK, you do a darned good job.

As for Ake, he's probably just getting up. Good morning, sunshine :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:13 AM

Hey, HI!!..Nice to see you're still up!

Super Regards!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 10:57 AM

Hey Sanity....if there was a "like" button on your post, I would click it!

The "balance" is not in the woolly middle, but the best bits of left and right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 10:43 AM

100 bottles of beer on the wall......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 10:42 AM

You are all tugging at the same rope, and just don't see it, especially those so consummately entrenched in partisan ideologies!! ....maybe this will help:


A chemistry professor at a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again.

You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.

Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.   

I found this an extremely fascinating and interesting parable and one I can totally endorse. For we must guard carefully not to fall into the trap of being so dependent on the government that we lose our sense of responsibility for our live and even worse, the very spark of life.

Yet, this also brings me to the recognition that we are caught in a rather interesting dilemma are we not. While I agree with the "trap" of the wild pig and the problems that presents, we are also experiencing what happens when you let the pigs (pun intended) run wild (the effect of too much de-regulation for example) and the effects it has on our society overall. – Anyone enjoying the financial crisis we are in? So the real question, (and I believe the true answer) lies in how do we find the right balance.

The trouble we have in our political system is we keep running back and forth between taming the wild pigs and letting them run wild. Wildness is good for creativity, entrepreneurialism, and the like. You want the free flow of energy to stimulate new innovation. And yet when you have unbounded flow of energy you have chaos, which then has to correct itself. As we learn to work with the powerful flow of societal energies, I believe we can learn to modulate the unbounded flow of energy while not reaching the point of constraining it to where we are limiting its flow.

When are we ever going to get a leader that understands the need for balance and stop with the rhetoric of polar opposite making one side wrong and the other right (and I don't care which side we are talking about). Is it not time for us to have true leadership in this country, and in our companies. Leadership that can connect deeply with the soul of the entity (be it our country or our companies) and guide the energy that flows from there in a balanced way so that we are contributing effectively to our society and our planet?
......................................................................

On another currently running thread, I posted this, which came right from the horse's mouth, in which one resident 'activist' just couldn't believe it!

"In a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was," Obama said.

To some, that is totally understandable, to others a puzzle.

HINT: ALL of the 'heated ideologies' are fences! Some are brain-locked in!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 09:09 AM

SW began with 'government control' and in the next sentence it was ' government ownership'.

....What President Obama the Democrats have been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious important: government control regulation of those who try to subvert the economy to allow unrestricted manipulation of money, labor and Congress to their own greedy ends.

Hey, Songwronger... do the Koch brothers send you these ideas directly, or do you just absorb them from the air in Texas?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 08:45 AM

Excellent article SW, but somewhere near the top someone suggested that to be electable , all budding presidents would require a degree in "Fascism".

Mr Obama was always a creature of the system, he was cynically put forward by the Democrats as "The first black president" for political purposes... and the trick worked.....95% of the "black vote"
Almost the whole membership here fell for the scam. Skin colour is meaningless....the system rules, "the president will do exactly what he is allowed to do."

Some famous guy said that....but I cant remember who!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 01:38 AM

Townhall.com is a web-based publication and a print magazine with a conservative viewpoint, primarily dedicated to conservative United States politics. It was previously operated by the Heritage Foundation, but is now owned and operated by Salem Communications. Salem Communications is a group of radio stations dedicated to Right Wing and Christian fundamentalist causes.

The article Songwronger cites has also been printed in the World Net Daily newsletter. World Net Daily is an extreme Right Wing newsletter, reflecting the views of the Tea Party.

What instrument does Songwronger play? The humdrum.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 10:49 PM

Hey Songwronger, what instrument do you play?...and what kind of music?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 09:50 PM

Interesting article:

Socialist or Fascist

It bothers me a little when conservatives call Barack Obama a "socialist." He certainly is an enemy of the free market, and wants politicians and bureaucrats to make the fundamental decisions about the economy. But that does not mean that he wants government ownership of the means of production, which has long been a standard definition of socialism.

What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector.

Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama's point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous -- something that Barack Obama avoids like the plague.

Thus the Obama administration can arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is something that can be blamed on the "greed" of the insurance companies.

The same principle, or lack of principle, applies to many other privately owned businesses. It is a very successful political ploy that can be adapted to all sorts of situations.

One of the reasons why both pro-Obama and anti-Obama observers may be reluctant to see him as fascist is that both tend to accept the prevailing notion that fascism is on the political right, while it is obvious that Obama is on the political left.

Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely -- and correctly -- regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as one of their own during the 1920s....

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 May 13 - 08:40 PM

I didn't call you names, SW; I just agree that you are mentally disturbed. :


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 May 13 - 08:14 PM

Yes, Obama proposed the sequester in 2011, then he signed it in 2013. It is his construct. It is also one of his "Don't throw me in the briar patch" sales jobs. He told the Democrats that the Republicans made him do it, and Democrats bought it.

Amos and Ebbie. I know that, as old people, you have to support the government that provides the dole, but you don't have to name call while you do it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 07:50 PM

....and watch....there will be no criminal prosecutions..from the AG ...because Obama is looking out for you!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 07:44 PM

Yeah, we could all nest in it!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:26 PM

Nest thread[ "Is Obama a human being"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 11:14 AM

Bill, The first hint of the 'sequester' was originally put forth by Obama..maybe it was a political ruse, or party sabre rattling, but that video link has been put up repeatedly on this thread(I think it was THIS thread, maybe it was the 'hate' thread)..in any event, you may need to change your propagan....umm......I mean, 'news' source.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:06 AM

"Obama has cast thousands of cancer patients out of treatment with the Medicare cuts brought about by his sequester. "

HIS sequester? HA! The Republicans had every chance to avoid that. THEY wanted it to happen just to make 'more' things look bad while Obama was pres. THEY 'fixed' part of it...just enough to let THEM fly home on vacation.

And you, SW, would not know a real facist if it bit you on the ass! By your measure, everyone who gets elected to any office above dogcatcher is part of the "political elite".
Those are words.... tossed about to avoid genuine thinking.

Bye... I'm off for the weekend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:50 AM

Read carefully,....all those that thought he was over doing this!

and this one...
Officials: Obama to name NC Rep. Melvin Watt to housing finance post, ex-lobbyist as FCC chief"

By Associated Press, Published: April 30 | Updated: Wednesday, May 1, 5:56 AM

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama intends to nominate Rep. Melvin Watt to head the Federal Housing Finance Agency, the government regulator that oversees lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and he has chosen a former cable and wireless industry lobbyist to head the Federal Communications Commission, according to White House officials.

If confirmed by the Senate for the FHFA post, Watt, D-N.C., a 20-year veteran of the House, would replace Edward DeMarco, an appointee of President George W. Bush who has been a target of housing advocates, liberal groups and Democratic lawmakers.

Hmmmm pretty fishy to me....."and he has chosen a former cable and wireless industry lobbyist to head the Federal Communications Commission,"


Obama: YOUR kind of guy!

GfS


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