BS: Is Obama a Fascist?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 May 13 - 01:28 AM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 13 - 01:13 AM

The OP is mentally disturbed.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:23 AM

There sure are a lot of folks who sure would rather see Obama where he is than that cast of idiots in the Republican primaries.

Yes. That's a big problem. As the second article I just posted says, "The dedication ceremony for the George W. Bush Presidential Center at Southern Methodist University in Dallas Thursday was an opportunity for the American political elite, Democratic and Republican wing alike, to express its essential unity and singleness of purpose."

Obama is part of the American political elite, as is your "cast of idiots in the Republican primaries." They are all part of the elite, and that elite is fascist.

Sure, the Republicans would have been bad, but Obama has brought us more fascism that George W. Bush did. Obama has put Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block with his 2014 budget. First president to touch that "third rail of American politics." Obama is going to privatize FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority with the 2014 budget. Obama has cast thousands of cancer patients out of treatment with the Medicare cuts brought about by his sequester. The list goes on and on and on. Obama is a fascist, but many of his supporters cover for him because he's "better than the alternative." That is a control device, the lesser of two evils. That is the one of the ways in which the fascists advance their agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Bill D
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:35 PM

Obama? Didn't you hear him the other night?

"I'm not the strapping Muslim Socialist I used to be."

You can relax now.

I remember clearly when Truman was accused of everything. He survived.....do will Obama.

There sure are a lot of folks who sure would rather see Obama where he is than that cast of idiots in the Republican primaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 02 May 13 - 07:56 PM

U.S. SEEKS TO GET RID OF LEFT GOVERNMENTS IN LATIN AMERICA

Recent events indicate that the Obama administration has stepped up its strategy of "regime change" against the left-of-center governments in Latin America, promoting conflict in ways not seen since the military coup that Washington supported in Venezuela in 2002. The most high-profile example is in Venezuela itself, during the past week. As this goes to press, Washington has grown increasingly isolated in its efforts to destabilize the newly elected government of Nicolas Maduro.

But Venezuela is not the only country to fall prey to Washington's efforts to reverse the electoral results of the past 15 years in Latin America. It is now clear that last year's ouster of President Fernando Lugo of Paraguay was also aided and abetted by the United States government. In a brilliant investigative work for Agência Pública, journalist Natalia Viana shows that the Obama administration funded the principal actors involved in the "parliamentary coup" against Lugo. Washington then helped organize international support for coup.

The U.S. role in Paraguay is similar to its role in the military overthrow of democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras in 2009, where Washington hijacked the Organization of American States (OAS) and used it to fight the efforts of South American governments who wanted to restore democracy. Zelaya later testified that Washington was also involved in the coup itself.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-seeks-to-get-rid-of-left-governments-in-latin-america/5333626


BARACK OBAMA PAYS TRIBUTE TO GEORGE W. BUSH AT PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY OPENING

The dedication ceremony for the George W. Bush Presidential Center at Southern Methodist University in Dallas Thursday was an opportunity for the American political elite, Democratic and Republican wing alike, to express its essential unity and singleness of purpose.

President Barack Obama was on hand, as were former presidents Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, to celebrate probably the most hated resident of the White House in US history, the younger Bush, whose administration is associated by tens of millions with illegal war, torture and corporate criminality.

Although not surprising, Obama's fulsome praise for his predecessor, in front of an audience that included former Vice President Dick Cheney and, according to the New York Times, "a collection of current and former foreign leaders and lawmakers as well as hundreds of former Bush administration officials and thousands of his admirers," was especially significant.

The current president told his audience, "The first thing I found in that desk the day I took office was a letter from George [W. Bush], and one that demonstrated his compassion and generosity."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/04/26/obam-a26.html

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:37 PM

..actually the phrase is 'post modern fascism'...it's not like he is 'alone'..it's more of a 'collective' way of thinking for the masses.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:46 PM

President Obama is a plug-in hybrid

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:12 PM

Bobert,

"
The government wants to take all your guns away...
"

Of course this is false. The government only wants to take away the guns of those who disagree with it, or those who might not like what it decides for them. like the poor and inner city Blacks. The wealthy, the large corporations, and the groups providing the funds for politicians to buy themselves reelection will always be able to have guns and armed guards.

Just think about THAT when the parties trade position, in an election or two...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 01:01 PM

Bobert: "It was Hitler who said that the masses would believe the BIG LIE...
What we have today from the right wing the BIG LIE on crack!!!"

It is preposterous for you to say, "That we have today from the right wing the BIG LIE on crack!!!"....and leave out your beloved leader!!!!???? The lying is EASILY provable...that BOTH sides employ it...MASSIVELY!...it's just not a lie, when YOU believe it, huh???

Give it some thought....and don't lie to yourselves, OK?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:46 PM

It was Hitler who said that the masses would believe the BIG LIE...

What we have today from the right wing the BIG LIE on crack!!!

Where ever you look they are lying...

Obama isn't a citizen...

Obama is a socialist...

The government wants to take all your guns away...

Unions are bad...

Teachers are bad...

Blah, blah, blah...

All TIN FOIL shit...

Fascists??? Check out the Tea Party... Now there is some serious fascism going on there...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:32 PM

There is another definition that includes the takeover of government by corporate power as in the case of Mussolini.

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

This is probably the same MO as the NRA. This has been used by almost every US
president in history.


2. Create a gulag


By this I assume the reference is to Guantanmo and Abu Graibh. Or the privatization of the prison system in the US

3. Develop a thug caste

Here, a better reference is the US Congress or the GOP/Tea Party

4. Set up an internal surveillance system

This is lamentable and is being done.

5. Harass citizens' groups

This is being done by all kinds of groups, governmental and NGO's such as the Koch Brothers.

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release

This is also unfortunate.

7. Target key individuals

Yes, the drones to that.

8. Control the press

Control is a fact of political life. Obama really can't control the press. You have to leave that to Murdoch and corporatists like him. Fox so-called News for example.

Obama is only one man and many have him by the balls. The Military Industrial Complex,
Wall Streeters, Lobbyists and money. Also, the Supreme Court that declares that corporations are people. Now that is fascist.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:50 PM

Thanks for that, Futwick. I think I know the subject pretty well, but I've downloaded that and will read it shortly.

I have a close friend (had; he passed away a few years ago) who was born in Hungary, the son of a prominent theoretical physicist, and who was Jewish. They managed to escape by a matter of minutes, or the whole family would have been sent to the death camps. He told me much of his remembrances as a youngster, growing up in constant fear. Not just him, but his parents and friends as well.

I also had a friend, an exchange student at the University of Washington, Rolf H., German, who'd HAD to join the Hitler Youth when he was a boy, and then was essentially impressed into the Luftwaffe. He thought the idea of flying airplanes—Messerschmitt ME-109s—was fun, BUT—he had no desire to go to war against anyone. In impending dog fights with British and American planes, he said that he, and some other pilots he knew, would head for the nearest cloud bank, fire their guns until empty, then fly back to base. This, he said, was not out of cowardice. It sprung from the fact that they did not like Hitler, his regime, and what he was doing to Germany and trying to do to the whole world—and they did not feel they had any reason to kill anyone, especially when they were only trying to defend themselves against the regime of der Führer and his madness.

Rolf had a LOT to say about living under Fascism!

But more formally, I've taken Political Science, Ethics, and Philosophy, in addition to Music and English Literature, in college, so the idea that I am "brainwashed" and just "go with the flow" that Goofballupagus and Niggardly Bastard (he calls himself that, I didn't) are accusing me of is baseless personal insult founded on pure ignorance on their parts, and says more about them than it does about me.

But then, having read some of their other stuff, is anybody surprised that neither of them could find their own butts with both hands and copy of Grey's Anatomy, and that their political acumen comes from the likes of Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Futwick
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 01:19 PM

One thing that helps in our quest to discover what is truly fascist is to read books written by people that were intimately involved in the Italian and German govts. I read Albert Speer's autobiography and something he said struck me:

He said that in Nazi Germany, all the arts and sciences were strictly segregated into little "chambers." He said nobody in one chamber had any contact with anybody from another. It is as though the Nazis did not believe physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, mathematics, music, architecture and like were in any way connected. Astronomy under the Nazis was virtually a strictly cultural propaganda tool--probably because so many Jewish physicists had changed it so irrevocably. Speer said that had the Nazis won the war, the govt would not have lasted more than a dozen more years due to this segregation of the arts and sciences. Segregated, they are useless.

Speer was Hitler's chief architect and pointed out that Hitler had no real political vision for Germany. Everything was aesthetics. He had an aesthetic vision. That's why every city he took over he wanted redone in the Roman or Greek traditions--marble with big columns and what not. Order and cleanliness was essential to Hitler's vision. Appearance was everything. If you didn't fit into his aesthetic view, your days were drastically numbered. The Jews and Gypsies were not a political enemy to Hitler, they were simply vermin and nothing more. Vermin must be exterminated and the infestation eliminated. Small wonder then that the prussic acid used to gas so many Jews and Gypsies--Zyklon B--was, in fact, an insecticide invented by I.G. Farben.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Futwick
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM

I bought this book some years ago and it gave me new insights into what is truly fascist. It is Walter Laquer's "Fascism--Past, Present and Future." Mr. Laquer, whom for what it's worth is Jewish, points out the pitfalls of deciding what is fascist and how the word is thrown loosely about to insult certain people (such as it is being done here). So, no Obama is not a fascist, Bush was not a fascist and not even the Japanese military govt of WW2 was fascist.

I am pleased that this book, just a small essay really, has finally been uploaded online. I highly suggest EVERYBODY read it before this ridiculous argument drags on any further because it so childish I can scarcely believe adult people engage in such things.

Now PLEASE:

Fascism--Past, Present and Future

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 03:28 AM

Without resorting to namecalling and personal attacks, Mr. Firth.
Monkeys?
You fail.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 02:20 AM

Thanks, Ebbie. Right on.

I believe I stated my opinion of President Obama rather solidly and forthrightly in my post of 07 Apr 13 - 12:05 AM, just a bit above. The two monkeys generally attempt to try to undercut and mock somebody with a well-thought out position by accusing them of being "brainwashed" or of being a "loony liberal," without their having the foggiest notion of what Liberalism really is.

Thomas Jefferson said that the preservation of Democracy is dependent on a well-informed electorate. If these two monkeys are any example of the state if the electorate, I'd have to say that Democracy is in deep trouble.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 01:55 AM

Monkey see, Monkey do- one person suggests that Don Firth is wobbly in his opinions and the monkeys jump right on. For the record, I see no evidence AT ALL that Don has ever been less than forthright.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 01:53 AM

Be more specific, Mr. Firth.
What serious problem does a person have if they happen to agree with GfS?
Without engaging in personal attacks, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 01:41 AM

?....without asking too many questions."

I think you're kind of far afield there, Mr. Bastard.

And anyone who chronically agrees with Goofballupagus already has a serious problem.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:43 AM

Gosh, you mean I'm not the only one????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:38 AM

I have to agree with GfS.
Mr. Firth just goes with the flow without asking too many questions.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:05 AM

As usual, Goofballupagus, you don't know diddly-squat.

We haven't had a president I really liked for decades. But of the viable options, Obama was the best of a sorry bunch. I think his heart's in the right place, but he's much too willing to compromise when dealing with those who won't compromise at all and are counting on his just giving in.

Believe me, the alternatives would be one helluva lot worse!

To call Obama a "fascist" is just plain stupid and it displays the abyssmal ignorance of the person who does so,

If you want to see a real fascist, take a good look at Paul Ryan. HE doesn't know he's a fascist, and of course he'd deny it, but I know where the man's coming from.

You know, Goofy, you can't just follow your gut feelings or your prejudices here, you really need to THINK!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 08:16 PM

Well, Professor Donny, judging from your last post, I take it you are an Obama supporter....but you just don't like saying it too loud...and then him and haw, teetering on 'sorta'...not because you do or don't like him...you just don't want to call it the way you see it...but if the posting opinion favors him, you get all wet...but if not, you go limp....
Methinks you are just playing for audience approval...after all, what else do you got?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:53 AM

The current conspiracy theory.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:30 AM

Who cares what he is or isn't.....He is whatever he's instructed to be!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 08:44 PM

Is Obama a Fascist?

No.

Simple as that.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:47 PM

That is ludicrous. If people didn't vote for Obama because he is sorta black doesn't mean they're racist, any more than if you didn't vote for Romney because he's sorta white!....BUT...If you did vote for Obama because he's sorta black...or Romney because he's sorta white, then YOU are the racist!!!!!
...and then we hope you can forget it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:06 PM

Stick to the topic of discussion.
Don't stoop to childishness.

He can do one or the other. Not both!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:51 PM

YAY OBAMA!
GO OBAMA!




*snicker*!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:46 PM

I just point out the obvious, Bobert. Obama is a tool of venture capitalism and the big banks. He's not in it for the people, he's in it for the money, just like George W. Bush was. Sorry if your hero is a zero. Suck it up and do something about it. Quit supporting the fascist Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:42 PM

When you namecall and curse at someone in an attempt to denigrate them you only denigrate yourself, bobette.
Stick to the topic of discussion.
Don't stoop to childishness.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Songwronger
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:38 PM

Detroit's newly appointed emergency manager has been granted unprecedented powers under the terms of an anti-democratic law in Michigan that went into effect Thursday.

   Public Act (PA) 436, which was pushed through by the Republican-controlled state legislature after voters defeated a similar measure in November, gives emergency managers in six Michigan cities and three school districts authority to slash budgets, reopen labor agreements, impose unilateral concessions and shut down or privatize city departments and services.

The measure is aimed at establishing what amounts to a financial dictator in Detroit, with the aim of using the city as a test case for imposing deeply unpopular measures in line with what is occurring in Cyprus, Greece and other European countries.

The entire political establishment, Democrat and Republican, is engaged in a conspiracy toward workers in the city.

Governor Rick Snyder, a multi-millionaire former venture capitalist and Republican, and Democratic Treasury Secretary Andy Dillon have turned over control of Detroit to a Washington, DC bankruptcy attorney whose former law firm represents the same Wall Street investment houses that control Detroit's municipal bonds and other debt.

Kevyn Orr, a lifelong Democrat, is a former law partner of Cleveland-based Jones Day, which has represented Citigroup, UBS AG, JPMorgan Chase and other banks that hold much of the city's $8.6 billion in long-term bond debt. His appointment immediately led to an upgrade in Detroit's credit rating from negative to stable, as investors anticipated he would oversee their repayment by intensifying the attack on the working class....

http://www.gloucestercitynews.net/clearysnotebook/2013/03/it-wreaks-of-fascism-lansingmichigan-imposes-dictatorial-rule-in-detro

So what's up with Detroit? Didn't Obama save that town along with the auto industry in his first term? Of course, he had to kill the unions and slash wages and benefits to do it, but once General Motors was essentially nationalized everything was supposed to be okay in Motor City. And now they have a fascist city manager, an appointed thug who just kicked the elected people to the curb. Obama's easy stimulus money is coming with a hell of an interest rate, at least in Detroit. Democrats and Republicans working hand-in-glove on the fascism here.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:32 PM

I'd criticize any other country just the same way if it did the kind of grandiose imperial stuff the USA has been doing since the end of WWII (and actually, for quite awhile before that...Monroe Doctrine, Phillipines, Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, various Central American interventions, etc.). I don't approve of messianic military empires that invade, economically colonize, and dominate weaker nations all over the world just so a few incredibly rich men can get richer. Nor do I approve of their leaders when they make that possible.

Obama's just the latest one to follow the same old line, that's all. I was absolutely delighted when he got elected in 2008, because I dreamed that he might be a real progressive and would change things, maybe be another FDR. I was also very pleased that a black man had been elected president and that McCaine and Palin had lost! It seemed to open the door to brand new possibilities.

That has not happened, however, and it's quite clearly not going to. What we are getting is standard imperial policy and standard domestic corruption, just like before. Obama is Bush III. He doesn't look like a Bush. He doesn't talk like a Bush. But his presidency is just more of the same old story.

Elect the Republicans again, and it'll be just as bad...maybe even worse.

Heads they win. Tails you lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:19 PM

FU, jerk!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:12 PM

bobette has shown in post after post and thread after thread that he is a bigot and class hater.
No brag.
Just fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:01 PM

Just to follow up on what Ebbie has said...

There is a reason why folks ain't posting here at Mudcat, at least below the line... That reason is that it has become Songwronger's private shit hole...

It's about karma... There's a song I used to do that was written by _____________??? It was about people who kill others and "collect their teeth" and then goes "I don't want to walk were he walked"...

I have lost respect for people I thought were cool... I have been absolutely beaten down with this steady drum beat of hate and folks who I thought were above mob mentalities jumping in like brown shirts...

What has this joint become???

The fascists are the "classless and free" who go along with brown shirt Songwronger...

If yo go to the the thread about why people don't post here too much anymore then I'll answer it...

No, I don't want the classless and free fascists preaching to me about how cool they are and how anything less than Ryn Rand and "mad Max After the Thunder Dome" is their idea of a perfect world...

I mean, I don't mind wrestling with folks I respect but, geeze louise... Too much songwronger coolaide here, for me...

Enjoy ya'll's little right wing fascist circle jerk...

BYE...

Bobert (signing out of this wacko ward)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 09:45 PM

You know what? There's nothing scarier to me than people who are totally convinced they are correct. And you know what, further? I am not speaking of Mr. Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 08:44 PM

Is it BECOMING a Fascist nation...NO!....it's been going on since November 22, 1963!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:09 PM

Definite "yes" to that, Stringsinger. It's been happening for a long time too, not just since Ronald Reagan, but Reagan gave American fascism a major boost in the 1980s. Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama have all added further volumes to it since then. If there'd been someone as incompetent and dangerously stupid as Ronald Reagan in charge of the Soviet Union during the 1980s, I think we'd all be dead now...and our remains would be highly radioactive.

Thank Mikhail Gorbachev that it didn't happen! If not for him, it probably would have.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:56 AM

Like I said. So much like Reagan it's scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:54 AM

I think there is a more important question. Is the U.S. becoming a fascist nation?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:28 AM

Absolutely CORRECT!!! It doesn't matter what his 'personal beliefs' are, he's just a puppet figurehead, so people 'debate' about 'his' policies, and keep their eyes off what is really going on and who it is who is really running the show!
This guy came up out of nowhere, no track record, no legislation, vague schooling records, hardly a voting record...but sorta black.....just the perfect candidate to be fawned over by a vast majority of 'so-called' racist liberals, who didn't care about his credentials...just so long as he was 'sorta black'..that way they THOUGHT we were making progress...and just so one of those wannabe racist crusaders don't come jumping in blathering about me being a racist, frankly I don't care about what color he is...he has been a phony all along, and his track record of lying only rivals Jodi Arias...or is that the other way around.
...but he's sorta black...big deal
....he's a Democrat...as if Democrats, weren't in the pocket of bankster/corps
..and he's a somewhat smooth talker....for the easily conned...(shit, I think I'd rather listen to a used car salesman....or even a Jehovah Witness.
This guy is a fraud, funded by the Bank of London, to do EVERYTHING that the Dems thought Bush or Romney was about...and you know why?...They're ALL on the same team!....ACTORS!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 10:43 AM

Exactly. Whether Mr Obama is a Fascist or not is not really the thing to be debating here, because it's just a label, and a person cannot be summed up in a label. The important point is, though, that he's the president of a Fascist military empire that is quite obviously trying to dominate the entire world and be the sole Superpower and the arbiter of the human race's collective destiny, and for what??? For the benefit of the oligarchy of rich elites who run that empire.

Obama is their errand boy. Or maybe he's their prisoner. Or their handpicked man? I'm not sure which, and there's no way to know if one can't get inside his head and know his actual thoughts.

Be sure of one thing, though. He's temporary. Same as Bush. You'll all have someone else to fight about after Obama is gone. He's just the temporary tip of the iceberg, and it's the rest of the iceberg you have to worry about...the part you don't see.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 03:26 AM

To be a viable candidate you have to be owned by the Banksters.
Sounds Fascist to me.
As a matter of fact, your definition of Fascism has me convinced more than ever that Herr Obama is a Fascist, Mr. Firth. And that Amerika is a Fascist Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 01:35 AM

...or something like......

Hey Don, your 'twisting in the wind' comment was really inapplicable...I've been sitting this one out..other than to provide a link that Obama signed the Monsanto Immunity deal, and the Democrats are slipping it into their budget proposal...and that's true..then on the Republican side, they have abolishing Obamacare...both bills favor corporate/government linkage....Obamacare might have been better as a single payer plan.....but NOOOOO....that would have left out the insurance/bankster/big pharma out of their profits.
So take it easy....put up thy sword....or sit on it..but you can ease off....OK?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 01:16 AM

Right, Ron.

I've said what I have to say on this ridiculous subject. For those who didn't get it the first time, reread.

Let Songwronger, Niggardly Bastard, and Goofballupagus twist in the wind.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:58 AM

Look , the answer to the burning question posed by the illustrious OP is:   No.

Now, let's let the thread die--or let the OP carry on a conversation only with people who agree with him:   that is; a soliloquy.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:13 AM

You will note that, above, I said viable candidates.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:08 AM

What's so bad about the Greens? They are an alternative.
They aren't owned by the Banksters, either.
You can't say that about our current leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Obama a Fascist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:00 AM

That's not an absolute, Mr. Bastard. I much prefer him to the alternatives.

Don Firth